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    color print

    Is there any possibility that someone is or will be producing anything like Cibachrome or Ilfachrome paper for direct positive color printing?

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    I'd agree, it's extremely unlikely (IMHO).

    A very specialist product both in manufacture and markets, and which, at best, could only be produced by the remaining few film/paper manufacturers. As we know, Kodak and Fuji have already reduced their ranges, Ilford are concentrating on B&W, while the smaller players are also concentrating their efforts on other more specialist products. Ferrania hold promise of re-starting manufacture this year, but I'd guess that, to start with at least, they will keep to a smaller range based on their own former products.

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    When it comes to colour prints digital output has many advantages over conventional neg/pos and particularly direct positive prints. Unlike B&W there's far fewer controls in colour printing to adjust contrast and gain total control over the process.

    I'm a strong believer in what the late Edwin Land foresaw that photography would have a analog - digital hybrid future with many ways of capture, process and output. That doesn't mean heavy digital manipulation, just some basic controls. I will go down that route if needed but not for my personal work which has always been B&W & 100% analog (except for one University project which was 100% digital a decade ago).

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    No. Time is moving on, and quickly. Only the inferior RA-4 or hybridised (analogue-to-digital) method, which latterly this has been giving Ilfochrome a good kick in the backside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    No. Time is moving on, and quickly. Only the inferior RA-4 or hybridised (analogue-to-digital) method, which latterly this has been giving Ilfochrome a good kick in the backside.
    I went to an exhibition a year or so ago of superb quality RA-4 prints, it's not an inferior process.

    I've not been printing Colour quite as long as B&W but RA-4 using Fuji materials gives superb quality (I never use Kodak for colour so can't comment about their materials).

    My preference for colour was always Fuji 50D & 100D and I had great prints from Fuji R-3 paper, my lab can give me even better via digital output though.

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    Stephen Frizza made a comment a while back -- in response to being pressed about Kodachrome processing -- that he'd rather spend his time in the lab investigating (among other things?) a positive print process to replace Ilfochrome. I wonder if that's still on his agenda.

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    But Stephen would make such for commercial use within his own lab. I understood the OP's question whether someone would bring anything like Ilfochrome to the market.

    This could rather be as special order product for those labs who lately used this material. And actually this was done in a way when Ilford Imaging informed those labs in advance of the planned cancellation of this material. Basically this could be revived for another run. But the company recently decided to cancel all halide activities and released all the related employees. (And meanwhile the rest of the company is gone too.)
    This would mean manufacture by another company. None of them showed any interest on this field.
    Thus remains a custom production ordered by a meanwhile most probably smaller clientel at much higher prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    I went to an exhibition a year or so ago of superb quality RA-4 prints, it's not an inferior process.

    I've not been printing Colour quite as long as B&W but RA-4 using Fuji materials gives superb quality (I never use Kodak for colour so can't comment about their materials).

    My preference for colour was always Fuji 50D & 100D and I had great prints from Fuji R-3 paper, my lab can give me even better via digital output though.

    Ian

    That's the point. In many cases the digital process is streets ahead (no, not inkjet prints!), but I still miss the traditional darkroom production process which all labs turfed out years ago. Ilfochrome was superior to RA-4, but now digital processing and printing is superior to Ilfochrome and RA-4 and again, the media it is printed on is also spectacular (e.g. Kodak Endura Professional metallic).

    RA-4 printing was a big-number item 20 years ago; it was sort of neck and neck with Ilfochrome (for those who could afford it) before Ilfochrome overtook it entirely. This was more than 22 years ago before I was commencing Ilfochrome work. I still have those early RA-4 prints in an achival folder (unmarked, unblemished); they make interesting comparisons alongside the later Ilfochrome Classic prints (bespoke, not auto-machine prints) that jump and dance.

    Given the litany of quality, finishing, freighting and supply problems that bedevilled manufacturing in the last few years, I really don't see Ilfochrome being resurrected at all​, no less so than Kodachrome will remain not just dead, but most sincerely dead. That there are a scant few labs on the planet still producing prints on this media only means they are using a diminishing inventory: once it's gone, it's gone for good and photographers do need to move on and look at whatever alternative methods are available and skill up and use them. Trust me, Ilfochrome is just not worth the stress and trouble now.
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    If you have transparencies which you want printed using an analogue process (not an unreasonable wish) then consider using an inter-negative and RA4, as widely done even when Ilfochrome/Cibachrome was a current process. The dedicated inter-neg materials are gone of course, but Portra should be capable. I haven't got round to trying this myself unfortunately, it is a project for 'next Winter' which of course never arrives...

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