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    The long post that you just made Simon was a great one! I second your sentiments!!
    Helping to save analog photography one exposure at a time

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdeeh View Post
    I'm not at all sure I get what you're saying about Tolkien and Kindles though. I never liked Tolkien and don't have any interest in owning a Kindle.
    The reply was not intended to be all about you...

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    "They are the proof that something was there and no longer is. Like a stain. And the stillness of them is boggling. You can turn away but when you come back they’ll still be there looking at you."

    — Diane Arbus, March 15, 1971, in response to a request for a brief statement about photographs

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    Hear, hear Simon. Good post.

    Another reason why I am sure I will enjoy working with XP2. Although I work hybrid, and enjoy it, I also print the old-fashioned way as well. I always had trouble getting BW400 to print the way I wanted. This is where I expect XP2 to have the edge.

    Though it may be a touch off topic I will throw this out. Three of my grandchildren enjoy analogue photography with me. But it definitely isn't scanning and printing on the printer that they like. The absolutely love being able to go into the darkroom with their negatives and make and develop analogue prints. The magic of seeing the print begin to appear on the paper under the red light is what captured every one of them. If they want to take a picture and send it to a friend, or print it on a printer, they just use their phone. Everyone can do that. But not everyone can bring their very own black and white print to school to show off.

    EDIT - In fact, one of them has already moved to a 6x6 folder because they like the prints better. And Ilford's paper is terrific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pioneer View Post
    Three of my grandchildren enjoy analogue photography with me. But it definitely isn't scanning and printing on the printer that they like. The absolutely love being able to go into the darkroom with their negatives and make and develop analogue prints. The magic of seeing the print begin to appear on the paper under the red light is what captured every one of them. If they want to take a picture and send it to a friend, or print it on a printer, they just use their phone. Everyone can do that. But not everyone can bring their very own black and white print to school to show off.

    EDIT - In fact, one of them has already moved to a 6x6 folder because they like the prints better. And Ilford's paper is terrific.


    I've told this story before, but when my son was in the 8th grade I was approached by the faculty at his school about teaching a little photo class to a few of the students as a consolation gift. They were the ones who hadn't made it into the annual school play.

    So we made pinhole cameras from unused one-gallon paint cans. We used Ilford paper for the negatives and Ilford paper for the contact positives. I turned the women's faculty restroom into a red-light darkroom with a hanging white bulb, set out trays and washer and timer, the whole nine yards. Had a sturdy DIY paint can tripod adapter, exposure charts, and a stopwatch for the black electrical tape shutters.

    The kids loved it. And mind you these were 7th and 8th grade kids who had just begun learning that all adults must always be avoided at all costs.

    About a week later I was at the school for some reason and one of the faculty members pulled me aside and told me she had watched as one of the girls from the class had spent that entire week walking around the playground and shoving her hands in the other kids faces.

    A little additional investigation had determined that the girl was actually asking the other kids to smell her hands. I had told her after the class ended that the smell of fixer on her hands meant that she had taken her rightful place in a very long line of traditional darkroom photographers stretching back 178 years.

    Apparently she hadn't washed her hands during the entire following week...



    Ken

    [Edit: I just looked and the very simple webpage I made for this class is still available here. It shows the student's final photographs from two sessions. Kirsten was the young lady with the fixer hands. Wow, has it already been almost ten years?]
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    "They are the proof that something was there and no longer is. Like a stain. And the stillness of them is boggling. You can turn away but when you come back they’ll still be there looking at you."

    — Diane Arbus, March 15, 1971, in response to a request for a brief statement about photographs

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    The Last big batch of Kodak BW400cn I will process and print. I enjoyed working with you!
    "Its my profession to hijack time" ~ Stephen Frizza.

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    Wow, that's 200 rolls if I counted rows and columns correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Wow, that's 200 rolls if I counted rows and columns correctly.
    Sadly its only 4 weeks worth of stock :-(
    "Its my profession to hijack time" ~ Stephen Frizza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Sintchak (rich815) View Post
    I shoot 98% B&W film but scan with my Nikon 4000, 9000 and Leafscan 45. 95% of my images I display only online and maybe only 5% I print.
    I shoot probably 75% color, 25% B&W. It all gets scanned by the lab. I print way more B&W than I do color. Maybe that's because the color I do shoot is slides, where the slide IS the print.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Sintchak (rich815) View Post
    The only reason prints even exist is because there was not the ability to scan negs, nor was there computer monitors and smart phones at a time in photography's past to display one's work. If there were I sincerely doubt printing would have become that popular and certainly would never have evolved or expanded the way it did. It would likely still exist though as a tiny fraction of the end result of photography, as it is now. I know this is APUG but I will admit I'm a hybrid photographer, I shoot 98% B&W film but scan with my Nikon 4000, 9000 and Leafscan 45. 95% of my images I display only online and maybe only 5% I print. Of the ones I print though I have sold for some for $500+ and have had some in charity auctions go for as much as $900. Nobody would pay that for one of my online scans!
    I think you have quaint ideas about prints... and history.
    I have an oil on canvas above my fire place :In arciada, portable & has tangible existence; like
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    people do not value images on screens they are like ghosts or computer files.
    Only there until any of lightening strike, power outage, head crash, or software fault.

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    Steve- was there a reason in particular to use that film over another, ore even a true black and white?



 

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