Value of expired films
Many people wonder how much they should pay for used equipment (lenses, bodies, etc), but what about expired film? How much of a percentage off of retail do you feel is realistic?
Of course there will be variables that would come into play (store, how old, etc), but let's just go with expired more then 10 years, and properly stored. If you have a rule of thumb you use that takes into account some of the variables, that would be great.
Last edited by Kirks518; 08-28-2014 at 12:38 PM. Click to view previous post history.
you should put them on ebay.co.uk Kirk, because judging by the prices people are asking for expired film there, you just ADD a hefty percentage to retail ...
There is no rule of thumb. Some expired film sells for much more than the original price; some sells for less. It really comes down to how much the buyer wants that film and the motivation of the seller. Some sellers want to make a profit; others just want to pass it along. I once had a practice of passing it along for free... until one guy took it using the guise of being a poor student/artist and then sold it on this forum for $$$. I don't have any hard feelings toward him, but that experience certainly modified my once-generous habits.
If you are a seller rather than a buyer... suggest opening bid set at 99p and see where the auction goes. Could go much higher than you think. Or it could...
While I realize that everyone's individual circumstances differ, I personally wouldn't use expired film, as I would not want to take the risk. It might be OK. Or it might not. And if one can't pre-test it, one just accepts that risk.
For me fresh film costs are only a small slice of the total costs in both time and effort to make a photograph. Of course, YMMV.
But if I was to purchase expired, properly stored for 10 years, I personally wouldn't pay much more than maybe 10% of the cost for the fresh equivalent. And then it would only be used for camera or darkroom testing. Not for important pictures. At least without pre-testing. Again, YMMV.
"When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."
— Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932
ebay allows free listings
just put it up at whatever price you want and let
the buyers decide what they want to pay for it.
i shoot expired films these days 8+ years and have no issue with it ...
and it it is kind of obvious that if someone is spending $$ on
old expired film they know the risks involved ... just the same
you might want to put a disclaimer on your sell page saying
"this isn't fresh film by buying this film you know it is expired
and might not behave like fresh film yadda yadda yadda "
if i wasn't getting out of the premanufactured film market
i would be sending you a PM asking what you have
good luck with your sale!
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I say there ihardly is a rule of thumb. It depends on many variables.
Amongst them the place where that deal is to take place.
I for instance rarely take e-bay prices as a guide. They typicall are far off from where I buy. (The same time e-bay has its benefits.)
Just to clarify - I am not looking to sell any film. I was perusing ebay, and noticed (as mentioned here) that some of the expired film was being sold for close to the price of new. An example is this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-Feet-of-...-/271533405046 the guy wants $0.95 less then what B&H sells the same film for new, and this guys' film is 13 years expired. It got me wondering what a realistic pricing discount would be for expired film.
The only reasons for using expired film are if you are experimenting and don't mind taking the risk, if you got the film inexpensive/free and don't mind taking the risk, or if you like using archaic emulsions and don't mind taking the risk. All options include risk and if one is willing to accept that risk, then hopefully the film was inexpensive/free.
Well, in that particular case, the seller is accepting offers. And he's had many offers but apparently has rejected all.
Originally Posted by Kirks518
Personally, I expect recently expired film of a currently available emulsion to sell for about 2/3 of new (mail order price). 9 year old film, however, might be a different story. I wouldn't hesitate to buy 9 year old film that was properly stored from a trusted source. But from someone on ebay?
FWIW, I sold a 100 ft roll on Pan F, dated 2006, for $35 in 2012. I thought that was fair at the time. It too had been frozen since bought fresh.
"Far more critical than what we know or do not know is what we do not want to know." - Eric Hoffer
If you can buy it new, don't buy expired film for anything but experimentation.
One small exception: if you are offered recently expired film from a retailer you have reason to trust, who also offers full price, unexpired film, and the film is of low to moderate ISO, and is black and white, then it is worth considering.
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