New films shown at ICIS by Fuji and Kodak

[fparnold]

I'll admit not having replied since as an amateur, I'm unlikely to shoot more than ~12 -20 rolls (35mm vs 120)/year. On the other hand, given my preference for hand-holding the TLR, and a dark environment, it would probably become my workhorse B&W, if the tonality is ok and I could process it reasonably convieniently.

I'd love to see it, but I'm afraid that I don't represent enough of a market to make much difference to EK. OTOH, as long as it's not outrageously priced, I'd take 20 rolls in 120 (or 5 - 10 boxes in 4x5) to give it a good trial run. I kind of like the idea of film that could be ironed.

[fdisilvestro]

I suggest everyone interested in this film to send the form to Kodak. There might be hundreds of us that think will shot 10~20 rolls a year. It is the total quantity that counts.

[bobbysandstrom]

Just sent in my form!

[Tom Hoskinson]

Originally Posted by Photo Engineer

Unless I see interest in the advance order form from Kodak for the new high speed film, I will not go to the trouble of scanning it in and posting it.

I thought that this first by EK would generate more interest.

PE

Hi PE! I'd like to send in an advance order for Kodak's new high speed film.

[wirehead]

Originally Posted by Photo Engineer

The response both here on APUG and at the ICIS conference was "UNDERWHELMING" to say the least.

I think the biggest thing is that if you tell a film shooter about it, their eyes will light up. I told a few of my friends about it thursday evening and they all want it like a highschool kid wants the keys to daddy's Porsche.

But they have to hear about it first. And they have to still own a film camera.

But, really. Pinhole photography at handholdable shutter speeds, complete with fill-flash. Moonlight photography at handholdable shutter speeds. Grain like a 400asa film.

[Roger Krueger]

O.K., I sent my form in.

My biggest concern is how this could be developed at home. Does overdevelopment matter? A clothes iron is hot enough, but getting a precise temperature and time would be tough. Ditto for an oven. Plus a moving surface like a clothes iron would scratch.

I know this is well above dry-mount temperatures, but are there dry-mount presses that could be overdriven to this temp?

In general mucking about a 160C surface in the dark doesn't seem like a whole lot of fun, but for a real ISO 12,000 I guess I'll learn to live with a few burns.

Now that I think about it, this might be the one case where 4x5 would be a lot more convenient than roll film--you could probably convert one of those electric fry pans or waffle irons (the reversible ones that have a flat surface too).

OTOH, sending it out to a central facility like with Kodachrome and waiting 14 days to see your images would pretty much kill my interest. So would having to spend more than about $250 on special equipment for a film that has a seriously uncertain future.

[ajuk]

The data for the 400 speed film indicates that it should have the grain and color reproduction of their 100 speed reversal films.

I thought Provia 400x has an RMS of 11 compared to there 100 speed films 7 or 8?

Kodak showed a sample motion picture film comparing their new 50D Vision film and their other new Vision films. The shots were stunning, especially the stills comparing grain and sharpness. This was followed by a talk on the 2 electron sensitization.

Is that still only in movie film?

Seems strange Fuji would introduce a new 1200 speed film, bit of an odd ball number, unless they have decided they got the grain ETC good enough at that speed to make an ISO 1200 portrait film? Would be interesting to see a comparison between 400f and 400x.


Oh and is there a link to any other pages on the web mentioning this ISO 24000 film?

[Photo Engineer]

I am going to guess here, but I would imagine that since this is an experimental film, Kodak will want the exposed film returned to them for 2 reasons.

1. To insure proper processing of this film - it is the first time out there, and as was pointed out above, it is not easy to come up with a processor for this type of film. They will want to insure uniform, high-quality processing with known processing equipment.

2. They will want to see the pictures to monitor quality. In fact, you may be asked to fill out questionaires regarding exposure and etc....

Then, the film will be returned to you processed.

That is, if this even takes place at all. No guarantees. They are just testing the waters here. Anyhow, that is my guess.

Now, as for processing, and having had some experience processing thermal materials, you do not want to have anything touch the emulsion side while processing! You cannot press between two items. The emulsion would probably stick to anything while hot. So, the heat processes that I know of involve heating the back of the support.

PE

[agGNOME]

Originally Posted by Roger Krueger

OTOH, sending it out to a central facility like with Kodachrome and waiting 14 days to see your images would pretty much kill my interest. So would having to spend more than about $250 on special equipment for a film that has a seriously uncertain future.

I would have the exact same concerns, although I'd be willing to put up with sending the film off during a "testing" phase. After the testing has been satisfied, I'd likely only use the film if I can process it at home. PE, if possible can you fill us in on what equipment/procedure might be suitable for setting up a processing scheme for such film ?

[Photo Engineer]

Originally Posted by agGNOME

I would have the exact same concerns, although I'd be willing to put up with sending the film off during a "testing" phase. After the testing has been satisfied, I'd likely only use the film if I can process it at home. PE, if possible can you fill us in on what equipment/procedure might be suitable for setting up a processing scheme for such film ?

We used a heated archlike metal plate called a 'shoe' which had a thermometer inserted into it to read temperature, and it was heated by coils. The film was processed by moving the base side slowly over the shoe so that total contact time from start to finish equalled the development time required.

This could be done manually for sheets of film or paper, or automatically with a moving web of film, using rollers to move it across the shoe.

I don't suggest that anyone do this in total darkness and that is why I suspect that Kodak will process the first batch (if any) themselves to provide quality and safety.

PE