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    Based upon this thread and the one recently posted by Freestyle the bottom line is:

    1) J and C as well as Freestyle will continue to carry these products, albeit under different labels.

    2) The manufacturers may be experiencing an upswing in business

    3) Both J and C and FS support APUG and it appears that the B & W community (including APUG) supports them.


    4) There appears to be some friction hiding under the surface

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowellh
    Mr. Chinn, your concern about Freestyle's willingness or ability to support and maintain inventories of film and paper is UNFOUNDED. Because of their foresight and interest in maintaining inventory of these products is why manufacturers like Forte, Foma, Kentmere, Fotospeed, and even Ilford are elated to supply Freestyle with everything they can to meet the ordering levels Freestyle does. I know that at this point several of them have even added second shifts and are looking into expanding production lines to meet this demand. Without Freestyle's interest, several of these manufacturers would, along with Kodak, be out of the B & W business.
    The only reason that Freestyle, in the short term, would not be able to supply a product or specific size, is because the manufacturer cannot make it and ship it fast enough to meet the demand. The reason that they will not be able to maintain this level of support would be that "you" stop ordering these products.

    I just vistied the Freestyle website and found Efke only in sizes up to 8x10 and no mention of anything larger in the coming soon comments. I will email Freestyle to see if they do intend to stock ULF sizes or other non 120 roll fim sizes. It seems to me that Freestyle wants the cream of the volume sales from 4x5 and 8x10 without the hassle of stocking larger sizes. If this is indeed the case I would strongly urge APUGers to purchase Efke (Adox) film in any size from J&C.

    J&C has done a lot of work in importing these films, stocking all formats and in the process encouraged a lot of new growth in ULF giving confidence to photographers that films will be available. In a small way I think they probably had an impact the recent Ilford and Kodak ULF film offerings by demonstrating new and growing demand for LF sizes. If J&C did not exist I doubt you would ever see Efke in anything larger than 8x10 in the US from any distributor.

    I have no problems with Freestyle and have bought materials from them in the past. They are only doing what any good company would do and that is try to get market share of the most profitable and liquid formats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowellh
    Hello Aggie:
    These are not claims but fact. As a supplier and manufacture of chemistry to our industry in the U.S., world wide and specifically, Freestyle, I have both first and second hand contact with these manufacturers listed and others. Because of the Freestyle "demand", several of these manufacturers have been able to get their governments to support them and aid their emergence for bankruptcy.
    We most likely talk to the same people. This is not what I've been hearing. That is why I would like real facts not just your say so of what and who you might be. Everyone here knows me.
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    For those who may not be aware, lowellh is Lowell Huff, proprietor of Clayton Chemicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
    For those who may not be aware, lowellh is Lowell Huff, proprietor of Clayton Chemicals.
    That explains a lot from what I've read when he posts at photo.net. As they say, "Very interesting" now if I could only add that old chinese sounding accent from the old Chan mystery movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jd callow
    Based upon this thread and the one recently posted by Freestyle the bottom line is:

    1) J and C as well as Freestyle will continue to carry these products, albeit under different labels.

    2) The manufacturers may be experiencing an upswing in business

    3) Both J and C and FS support APUG and it appears that the B & W community (including APUG) supports them.


    4) There appears to be some friction hiding under the surface
    The point to remember is that Freestyle once offered these products, dropped them, and it was J and C who made them available again
    Mark Layne
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    Moving soon?

    David, would not this thread be more cogent in the Product Availability forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist
    David, would not this thread be more cogent in the Product Availability forum?
    It certainly would.
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    I have purchased film from J&C in the past, and will buy more in the future, but here's what I found when visiting their web site:

    35mm Efke/Adox 25: In stock
    35mm Efke/Adox 50: Not in stock
    35mm Efke/Adox 100: Not in stock
    35mm Kodak 400TX: Not in stock
    35mm Fuji (any kind): Not in stock

    120 Efke/Adox 25: Not in stock
    120 Efke/Adox 50: Not in stock
    120 Efke/Adox 100: Not in stock
    Kodak 400TX: Not in stock
    Kodak 400 TMAX: Not in stock
    120 Fuji (any kind): Not in stock

    It is difficult to patronize a firm that has no stock.

    Kris

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    Well, J&C is going through some changes now. They seem to be pretty stable in their stock generally.
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