A new Ilford film?

[Roger Hicks]

Probably this won't work, because I suspect that the reject rate isn't high enough -- but why not package any really out-of-spec material for Holgas and Lomos? I can just see the packaging: Ilford Holga 120 and Ilford Lomo 35. They could even offer a money-back guarantee if it's any good...

Cheers,

Roger

[Andy K]

Probably this won't work, because I suspect that the reject rate isn't high enough -- but why not package any really out-of-spec material for Holgas and Lomos? I can just see the packaging: Ilford Holga 120 and Ilford Lomo 35. They could even offer a money-back guarantee if it's any good...

Cheers,

Roger

You will probably find that the Lomographic Society International has 'Holga' and 'Lomo' sewn up tight as trademarks. They are also very litigious.

If this was to work Ilford would have to sell the film stock to the LSI, who would then repackage it, quadruple the price and sell it as the 'latest, greatest discovery of out of date film from Vienna'.

[Roger Hicks]

You will probably find that the Lomographic Society International has 'Holga' and 'Lomo' sewn up tight as trademarks. They are also very litigious.

If this was to work Ilford would have to sell the film stock to the LSI, who would then repackage it, quadruple the price and sell it as the 'latest, greatest discovery of out of date film from Vienna'.

Yes, but at least they wouldn't have to worry about how it was stored...

Cheers,

Aphasia Winkleprop

[David A. Goldfarb]

Ilford film problems that I've heard about have been things like coating defects that produce a repetitive "V" shaped mark on the film--probably not too exciting from a Lomographic/Holgascopic perspective.

[Simon R Galley]

Dear Mr.Hicks....

I have met some Lomo fans in Russia...and very passionate about Lomo's they are as well...as for 'out of spec' films...nothing will ever leave HARMAN technoilogy Limited 'out of spec'...Its why I am am sightly confused about David's remark ?..can you elucidate or pm me..

Regards

Simon: ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited

[George Papantoniou]

Simon, you have to watch "V for vendetta" in order to understand David's joke (and Andy's avatar)...

What about Ilford's "Pan" films, meant to be distributed in India, Greece and other underdeveloped countries ? Aren't they supposed to be cut from the edges of FP4 and HP5 master rolls, thus of a "Lower quality" than the "FP4" and "HP5" labelled film that comes from the "good part" of the master roll ? At least, that's what the street rumours (or an urban legend) suggest...

[Simon R Galley]

Dear George,

Thanks for explaining the 'v' I thought it must be some reference but I can be a bit slow:

The PAN films you talk about are quality films, but are a different specification to FP4+ and HP5+

Regards

Simon.

[Roger Hicks]

Dear Mr.Hicks....

I have met some Lomo fans in Russia...and very passionate about Lomo's they are as well...as for 'out of spec' films...nothing will ever leave HARMAN technoilogy Limited 'out of spec'...Its why I am am sightly confused about David's remark ?..can you elucidate or pm me..

Regards

Simon: ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited

Dear Simon,

It was meant principally as a joke. What I meant was simply this: rather than throw it away, rebrand it for Holga and Lomo, where the quality is so lousy (especially Holga) that stuff you would regard as fit only for recycling would fit in beautifully.

Actually, rather than 'lousy' let's use words like 'chance' or (if we're feeling fancy) 'aleatory'. Lomos aren't too bad, but I've never quite understood the appeal of Holgas.

But as I said, I doubt you produce enough stuff that is bad enough to make it worth the effort. Of course you could always store the bad stuff until you had enough to release a 'connoisseur's batch' of bad film. After all, a bit of age-fog (and a selection of different problems, such as air-bubbles, scratches, wrong speeds, etc.) would only add to the mystique.

Cheers,

Roger

[Paul Sorensen]

Actually, rather than 'lousy' let's use words like 'chance' or (if we're feeling fancy) 'aleatory'. Lomos aren't too bad, but I've never quite understood the appeal of Holgas.

But as I said, I doubt you produce enough stuff that is bad enough to make it worth the effort. Of course you could always store the bad stuff until you had enough to release a 'connoisseur's batch' of bad film. After all, a bit of age-fog (and a selection of different problems, such as air-bubbles, scratches, wrong speeds, etc.) would only add to the mystique.

In other words, Simon, it is people like me who occasionally use a Holga who are the target of Roger's barbs, not Ilford.

Of course, I get my messed up film on eBay outdated for a few cents a roll, no reason to pay extra!

[Roger Hicks]

Dear Paul,

'Barbs' is putting it a bit harshly -- as I say, it was meant lightheartedly -- but yes, that's it.

Then again, just think: if you could get reliably bad film, with unpredictable faults, you could try taking Holga-type 'aleatory' pictures with a reliable camera...

Cheers,

Hezakiah Toadmountain