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    Quote Originally Posted by kb244 View Post
    What I am finding to be odd is that its getting very hard according to our customers to find 100 speed or lower film anywhere but our store.
    I would agree with that from "Rochester Photographic" from memory about 1 month ago - I saw 120 and 35mm film: 100, 400, 3200 speeds B&W, Kodak TMAX, Tri-X; Ilford Delta 100, 400 & 3200; Ilford HP5, FP5. Some dwindling supplies of Agfa 120 B&W (snagged 2 rolls, had about 4 left). Color had some 135 and 120: Fuji (forget which ones), Kodak slide (Ektachrome). Think that was it. No IR, no lower than 100 speed that I saw.
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    Bromo: Yes, Rochester Photographic is one of the few places here that has a decent selection of film.
    Honey, I promise no more searching eBay for cameras.

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    At my eckerd we had Tri-x, plus-x, tmax 100 and 400....and FP4+

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    What is always "weird" about these kinds of threads is we talk about film as a "survivor".

    You know: "Hey, guess what? I was just in my local [CVS, Eckerds, Rite Aid, Walgreens, Target, WalMart etc.] and I saw they STILL had film!"

    Would we have asked this five years ago? No way!

    But the camera manufacturer's are doing their damndest to kill film. How else are they going to continue to sell cameras?

    Today, while dropping off my "personal first" roll of 120 I saw a poster ad from K now offering digicameras with a replacale "one-time shoot" memory card. They are literally trying to "re-create" film by making a P&S that will "shoot" a $3.00 digicard that you turn in for prints like you would've done with a roll of film!

    Problem is, all you get with that is a crappy JPEG!

    Will folks "go for it"?

    Maybe.....but then, how is this different from film?

    Well, the difference is, that the camera makers won't make film cameras anymore. They are "boxing" people into digital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copake_ham View Post
    What is always "weird" about these kinds of threads is we talk about film as a "survivor".
    Not my original point, the point was this film being offered at a grocery store is new - and a good thing. I was not trying to be negative (pun intended!) at all - perhaps there is a growing group of people using Tri-X 35mm film in my area? Perhaps something else.

    The don't *still* have the film - they are carrying for the first time I saw it there and was so astonished and happy that I bought a couple o' rolls! :o

    But the camera manufacturer's are doing their damndest to kill film. How else are they going to continue to sell cameras?
    Funny thing - this cash cow is slowing down considerably!

    And for typical consumers - they are happily doing the digital thing. Funny thing, though, at the kiosk at the grocery stores - a bunch of people are plopped down in the seat doing the "digital darkroom" thing - when before with film you can just drop it off and come pick it up in about 1 hour (well, more like 30 minutes) or in a couple of days if you want to go cheaper and send it out for developing.

    Eventually people are going to realize that they have been convinced to do all the work and then have to pay the owners of the kiosk money for it! Amazing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromo33333 View Post
    Not my original point, the point was this film being offered at a grocery store is new - and a good thing. I was not trying to be negative (pun intended!) at all - perhaps there is a growing group of people using Tri-X 35mm film in my area? Perhaps something else.

    The don't *still* have the film - they are carrying for the first time I saw it there and was so astonished and happy that I bought a couple o' rolls! :o



    Funny thing - this cash cow is slowing down considerably!

    And for typical consumers - they are happily doing the digital thing. Funny thing, though, at the kiosk at the grocery stores - a bunch of people are plopped down in the seat doing the "digital darkroom" thing - when before with film you can just drop it off and come pick it up in about 1 hour (well, more like 30 minutes) or in a couple of days if you want to go cheaper and send it out for developing.

    Eventually people are going to realize that they have been convinced to do all the work and then have to pay the owners of the kiosk money for it! Amazing!

    Hi Bromo (name please?),

    It's a bad day to respond to this.

    I'm in one of those film user "funks" today - you know, when you think you're the last sane person on the planet realizing that everyone else has gone mad.

    Digi has conquered just about all of the professional disciplines and most of the consumer market - it's hard to be upbeat on days like this. It's really hard to imagine that the "artists" in LF and we "amatuer hobbyists"* can, even together, keep film afloat much longer.

    It's extra hard when you look at your beloved Nikon F3 and realize that the company that made it considers it just an artifact from the past!

    Oh, and that MagnaCrome "sneaky digiMag" thread didn't help any either. Like a bad apple, I should never have "bit" into that thread!

    For me, this just isn't a good day to read threads that act "surprised" that we can still find film!

    * BTW: "Amateur hobbyist" is one of the "choices" for "profession" on the Kodak "free film" offer....

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    Well, I've read more than one letter in UK B&W magzine from people who preferred their new MF/LF cameras to digis. As Bob Dylan once observed" they say the darkest hour is right before the dawn".
    "He took to writing poetry and visiting the elves: and though many shook their heads and touched their foreheads and said 'Poor old Baggins!' and though few believed any of his tales, he remained very happy till the end of his days, and those were extraordinarily long "- JRR Tolkien, ' The Hobbit '.

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    Quote Originally Posted by copake_ham View Post
    Hi Bromo (name please?),
    Brent. Sometimes my wife wants to pipe in, Dianne, but 90% of the time its me. You?

    It's a bad day to respond to this.

    I'm in one of those film user "funks" today - you know, when you think you're the last sane person on the planet realizing that everyone else has gone mad.

    Digi has conquered just about all of the professional disciplines and most of the consumer market - it's hard to be upbeat on days like this. It's really hard to imagine that the "artists" in LF and we "amatuer hobbyists"* can, even together, keep film afloat much longer.
    For some reason, I am not too worried about this. I suppose I *should* be, but as an artistic medium, I think that film is only now hitting its stride which excites me! I am pretty sure 35mm and LF are here for the long haul. I hope MF is, too. Given the huge base of cameras out there on 135, 120 and 4x5, 8x10 and so on, I don't see film disappearing any time soon.

    It's extra hard when you look at your beloved Nikon F3 and realize that the company that made it considers it just an artifact from the past!
    Even if film were the only technology - with planned obsolescence working the way it does - they were likely to think that anyway! I know, not much consolation.

    Also the camera manufacturers are experiencing a flattening out of their sales - and this is a cash cow they were hoping to milk for several more generations - kind of like computers. Apparently, the big growth is in the below $150 cheapie P&S category which is bad news for them as they won't be profiting very much.

    Oh, and that MagnaCrome "sneaky digiMag" thread didn't help any either. Like a bad apple, I should never have "bit" into that thread!
    I am not sure what to make of the magazine - I thought it was interesting to read about the d^&*(^l backs - showing to me again that they are struggling to equal film - and have to spend so much friggin' money to do it! For petes sake, getting a drum scanner would be cheaper and higher rez and so on for pro work.

    For me, this just isn't a good day to read threads that act "surprised" that we can still find film!
    I wasn't suprised that I could find film - just that I could find *that* film in the GROCERY STORE. In my experience over the last <ahem> years I have only been able to find color print film, and only 20 years ago B&W. Now I can find color, b&w and slide film which is an improvement in my book not even taking D^&*(%^^&*(L into account.

    But I understand, you are in a bad, bad place today. Hope you cheer up!

    * BTW: "Amateur hobbyist" is one of the "choices" for "profession" on the Kodak "free film" offer....
    Meaning dedicated amateurs are a growing segment in the film market.

    Given the journalists don't use it except for special occations, this is not surprising. (Journalists famous for the autowinder 6fps lock the focus and GO burning a roll of film in a couple of seconds - every crate of film shipped coming with a "Thank You" note from Kodak! )
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    Hi Brent,

    Name here is George (I think it's down there somewhere in the signature).

    I guess my concern is not so much that the camera makers have abandoned us - so have the film companies!

    Imagine your a kid just getting interested in photography. What are you going to see? Ads in the mags for digi gear. And since you're likely already computer-saavy, it will seem like a "no-brainer" to gravitate that way.

    Granted that's what the camera makers want - but when was the last time you saw an advertisement in the mass media (pick a format) for film? Kids are growing up today may have "heard" about "old-fashioned" film photograpy, but likely as not they will not even know that film is still manufactured and used!

    If the film companies are uninterested to advertising their products to the general consumer - it's hard for me to imagine how they can achieve necessary economies of scale to justify continuing to produce film?

    I guess wrestling with these kinds of uncertainties is the "price" we will always have pay for preferring film photography.

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    I'll see your dark cloud and raise you a silver lining! :)

    Quote Originally Posted by copake_ham View Post
    Hi Brent,

    I guess my concern is not so much that the camera makers have abandoned us - so have the film companies! (snip)
    There is a huge amount of hype surrounding digital cameras - I figure because the camera makers were hopeful they could get on the "3-year upgrade-itis" that computer makers had, but this time with cameras. Turns out this has been a bad bet - though almost all of the R&D, even in die hard film camera companies like Leica - has been in digital this or that.

    Early Adopters and digi-photographers have their 6-10 MP cameras, and aren't budging, and the only real growth has been in the under $150 P&S market which isn't very profitable. I think the camera makers will be stuck again.

    Also, with eBay and such - well made film cameras will be accessable for some time used. And there are and will be film cameras made for a good while. Look at the huge proliferation of standard and non standard LF cameras, Voigtlander, Zeiss Ikon for 35mm, and a large resurgence in pinhole? I may be pointing to a silver lining on a very very dark cloud, but it is a silver lining nonetheless - people are finding new uses for film and cameras.

    I won't even mention the revival of antique processes that is going on.

    Imagine your a kid just getting interested in photography. What are you going to see? Ads in the mags for digi gear. And since you're likely already computer-saavy, it will seem like a "no-brainer" to gravitate that way.
    Interestingly enough, I stopped by RIT to get some film (I bought some Velvia 120 - here in Rochester, Fuji be it cameras or film - is almost like contraband) and talked to some of the Photography students there - they shoot film, digital in all kinds of formats. Most find film a lot more fun than the alternative, but they are getting a well rounded education - and film is front and center. LF and MF figures pretty prominently - so much so, that I think that LF will be the preferred film format for artistic expression going forward.

    So, if a kid of mine (I don't have kids) were to be interested in it, I think I would get any sort of camera that would catch his or her fancy - no matter the format, and once the interest was sustained, would introduce the kid to "real" photography.

    If the film companies are uninterested to advertising their products to the general consumer - it's hard for me to imagine how they can achieve necessary economies of scale to justify continuing to produce film?
    I though the same thing about LP's 20 years ago - and they are still being pressed and not just reissues. :o Not to the same degree as before - and almost all of the poorly recorded junk is gone - just the good stuff is left, though the price went form abotu $8 to about $18. I would expect the same from film - and companies like J&C and ILFORD will be leading the way! (Not sure about Kodak, though I am sure they won't just dump film - maybe spin it off or something)

    I guess wrestling with these kinds of uncertainties is the "price" we will always have pay for preferring film photography.
    Instead of worrying and fretting go shoot some photos - you have a new Hasselblad calling your name!!!

    Enjoying the "here" and "now",
    Brent
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