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    Sadly, given the shrunken demand for B+W photographic papers, the French calendar might afford an optimal runtime for a modern paper coating facility.
    Shall I put a link/connection to the APUG French forum? Maybe there will be some more response in a short time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petzi View Post
    There is no coating plant in France, all they ever did in France was cut and box Agfa paper.
    The Gevaert plant the original post was referring to is in Mortsel, Belgium, and makes materials for medical and printing applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acroell View Post
    The Gevaert plant the original post was referring to is in Mortsel, Belgium, and makes materials for medical and printing applications.
    That Gevaert plant used to coat common b/w film. Back when I was a child in the 1960's, my dad purchased for me a whole box full of 120 Gevaert b/w film, which, as I remember our local discount store had for $0.19 cents per roll.

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    MCC/MCP

    We are involved in this venture of revitalising what used to be Agfa products since August, yet at this point it is too early to make any type of an announcement.
    I wonder actually who spread this word at this stage as it is way too early to do when you have not even ripened all emulsions fully.
    All I can confirm is that the above named companies are at this stage not involved neither financally nor with knowledge or support.
    One of them has announced interest in buying the readymade paper last week. Thatīs it for them.

    I hope that this venture will be succesfull and will surely communicate more details as soon as they become available.

    Where the paper will be coated has yet to be determined. At this point the emulsionists are working on the emulsions only and use small lab test coaters.
    The grain structure looks promising, that is all we can say at this point.
    More details will hoepfully become available around february 2007.

    Regards and merry Christmas to everyone,

    Mirko

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    A most useful reply, lets wait and see what happens. Meanwhiole good luck.

    Ian

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    Good luck Mirko this is hopeful sign

    Quote Originally Posted by ADOX FOTOIMPEX View Post
    We are involved in this venture of revitalising what used to be Agfa products since August, yet at this point it is too early to make any type of an announcement.
    I wonder actually who spread this word at this stage as it is way too early to do when you have not even ripened all emulsions fully.
    All I can confirm is that the above named companies are at this stage not involved neither financally nor with knowledge or support.
    One of them has announced interest in buying the readymade paper last week. Thatīs it for them.

    I hope that this venture will be succesfull and will surely communicate more details as soon as they become available.

    Where the paper will be coated has yet to be determined. At this point the emulsionists are working on the emulsions only and use small lab test coaters.
    The grain structure looks promising, that is all we can say at this point.
    More details will hoepfully become available around february 2007.

    Regards and merry Christmas to everyone,

    Mirko

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    Wow. If "revitalizing" means using the original Agfa recipes/emulsions for paper, that would be incredible news for a lot of printers.
    "Fundamentally I think we need to rediscover a non-ironic world"
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    Dear Jim,

    yes this it what it means.....BUT in photo emulsioning it is not only the recipe but also the kitchen that is important and it (the kitchen) needs to be operated constantly.
    Even Agfa itself was not able to reproduce the last APX production run which took place in early 2004 on their very own identical equipment in late 2005 after a break of only 1,5 years.
    The film came out differently and needed to be touched up with the emulsionists "magic stick" (please spare me the details now) but this is why the last batches out now differ from the ones dated 2006 and 2007.
    If it is better or worse depends on the vote of the consumers. Sofar they are happy but the scientists have measured slightly substandard values even after touch up.

    The old Agfa kettle to make APX for example took 1000 Liters and was built in 1965. This kettle has repair patches over and over, smells bad and is history now.

    What we are trying to do is running original recipes but on new, much smaller gear built in 2002-2004.
    The machines used are from the former agfa research departement which are basically a copy of the original larger machinery on miniature scale (40 liters).
    Yet even these kettles can produce per anno enough emulsion for hundreds of thousands of films or tens of thousands of sqm of paper if they run day and night.

    The new equipment is fully computer controled and infrared equipped and if we manage to run the emulsions on this we have achieved what we aim for: micro scale production of highest quality films with most modern technology available at workable prices to ensure the availability of fine b/w products for many many years to come.

    Will it be similar to the original ? Answer: Yes.
    Will it be 100% like the original ? Answer: Most likely no.
    Can it be better than the original: yes !

    Last question: When will it be available ?
    Answer: I really canīt say.

    We did not want to communicate this too early because this really is an ambitious project and there are many challenges to face still but since it is impossible to keep it totally secret and before rumours cause more harm then good I decided to publish this today.
    We almost have everything we need. Now we need time and a little bit of luck.

    Regards,

    Mirko

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    Last edited by ADOX Fotoimpex; 12-22-2006 at 12:58 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Well... a bit "Good Luck To You" then.

    Very encouraging news, I would love to use Agfa paper again. Thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADOX FOTOIMPEX View Post

    The machines used are from the former agfa research departement which are basically a copy of the original larger machinery on miniature scale (40 liters).
    Yet even these kettles can produce per anno enough emulsion for hundreds of thousands of films or tens of thousands of sqm of paper if they run day and night.

    The new equipment is fully computer controled and infrared equipped and if we manage to run the emulsions on this we have achieved what we aim for: micro scale production of highest quality films with most modern technology available at workable prices to ensure the availability of fine b/w products for many many years to come.
    Should this all come to pass, you shall have given a lot of people here a wonderful Christmas present!! Best wishes, and good luck!!
    John Voss

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