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    A Classic paper with MultiContrast CMC...

    The latest news on the project of rebuilding a paper which is similar in charakteristics like a paper formerly produced by Agfa and once named MCC (which I will call CMC from now on to make it easier) is: good news !

    All emulsions ripened the way they were supposed to and all samples kept their desired properties. The samples also kept well in artificial aging.

    The next step now is to make first build up samples (this means the paper is actually coated in multiple layers instead of coating the individual emulsions separately on individual sample sheets).

    Now even all the separate emulsion coatings reached specs we are still excited to get our hands on these first "real" samples because only then we can actually see if the papers comes out as close as we expect it in actual image properties.

    So again, there is still a long way ahead but no problems have come up yet.

    The current expected timeframes are: Sample review in March, first test coatings on a production line from a batch of more than 500 liters of emulsion: Mai.
    These first production line samples can then be handed out to selected knowledgeable fine printers to get multiple feed back.

    Best Regards,

    Mirko

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    That is great news. I will keep my fingers crossed that all the final tests meet expectations.
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    Mirko, I'm a longtime MCC 111 user. Iif you need any testers for your new paper runs, please feel free to ship some my way. Sanders

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    Well it's a good news, but it would be better if forte was alive
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    This is really good news. I hope the testing goes off without a hitch. If you need a beta tester, I would love to help.

    Bill
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    While I know that Mirko can't declare victory yet...this is the best news I've heard in a very long time.

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    Well it's a good news, but it would be better if forte was alive
    We will try and do our utmost best to rescue Forte and/or their papers.

    Best regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADOX FOTOIMPEX View Post
    The latest news on the project of rebuilding a paper which is similar in charakteristics like a paper formerly produced by Agfa and once named MCC (which I will call CMC from now on to make it easier) is: good news !

    The current expected timeframes are: Sample review in March, first test coatings on a production line from a batch of more than 500 liters of emulsion: Mai.
    These first production line samples can then be handed out to selected knowledgeable fine printers to get multiple feed back.

    Best Regards,

    Mirko
    Thanks for this news. If it all works, you'll have the eternal gratitude and loyalty from all us MCC 111 lovers out here. I'm working my way through my remaining few boxes of MCC and with Forte now being uncertain, I'm beginning to despair.

    If Ilford would coat their Warmtone emulsion on their Galerie or MGFB base, they'd be getting close to the look of MCC, I think, but Simon wasn't encouraging about the prospect of them doing that. Agfa's combination of slightly warm emulsion on a bright white base was unique, and greatly missed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aldevo View Post
    O/T, but...

    There's no doubt that, in the USA, there is some confusion that quantity of live is an acceptable substitute for quality of life.

    But your assertion that French workers are more productive is in error.

    Economic productivity has exactly one definition - value of goods or services produced per unit cost.

    You must be citing an alternate interpretation and I'm curious as to the source.
    I didn't say that French industry is more productive than US industry, just that the productivity of individual French workers is higher. I don't remember the source, since it was maybe a year ago I read it, but it could have been either the NY Times or the Int'l Herald Tribune or maybe the Economist. Sorry, I can't be more specific than that. By your definition of economic productivity (which of course is correct), it's true that the French aren't more productive-- there are a host of factors for that, one of the main ones being the labor laws heavily weighted in favor of the employee. Believe me, having run a "small shop" non-profit for nearly ten years, and knowing what we spent in time, energy, and money on such things as dismissing a two day-per-week bookkeeper, I'm well aware of the faults of the French system.

    But on a worker to worker comparison, I do believe the French may be higher than the Americans.

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    Most Americans (most, not *you* of course, whoever *you* may be ) that deride Europeans for their six weeks of vacation and their two-hour, cafe lunches have never been across the pond to witness the quality of life that's possible in a culture where people work to live, rather than live to work...who put time with family ahead of having three large cars and a half-dozen televisions...and who haven't let themselves become slaves to corporations that have propogandized their workers to be proud of a mythical "AMERICAN work ethic." I finally made the trip and I didn't feel derisive when I left Europe. I felt unconsolably envious.

    Most Americans that dutifully accept all the "greatest country on earth" stuff have *nothing* to compare it to.

    I love my country. I'm a patriot. That's why I'm always thinking about how we can make America better.
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