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    I wouldn't count on Agfa paper being newly manufactured on the former Agfa equipment preserved by fotoimpex. AFAIK what was preserved is the former Research coating apparatus from Agfa, which I think would be too small for anything other than film stocks. I could be wrong, though. I think the production coating lines at Agfa were scrapped.

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    Oh my G*d. This topic has now been discussed a hundred times on the net, but people seem to be very resistant against real information, and prefer guessing.
    So, once more: Agfa Gevaert is a different company than AgfaPhoto, and ist still alive and kicking. They still coat film like microfilm (Agfa Copex), and sometimes they seem do to special (or slightly modified) coatings for resellers like MACO (e.g. Rollei25).
    Everything else sold as Agfa at the moment is old stock from the last production runs 2004/2005. Sometimes originally packaged, sometimes cut and spooled by 3rd-party companies post mortem.

    The "rebirth" of Agfa paper (although under a different brand) is defintively a serious project. Sure, the "research coating machine" is smaller than the original one, but I think this is not a bad thing in the actual market. For example, regarding to information (mostly in german forums) from people involved in this project (e.g. Fotoimpex boss Mirko Boedekker), the emulsion kettle is 50 liters (compared to the old 1000 l from the sixties). A 20-fold downsizing seems reasonable.
    These guys seem to have invested a lot of resources into this project, and I do not think they did this for fun. It is also very important for them economically, as they distribute papers under their own labels, but sources for paper for re-labelling are rapidly drying out.

    There is no information on the re-start of film production.

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    ..and if they (Agfas coating lines) werenīt demolished yet we couldnīt save them.

    By reading over some posts lately, I am under the impression that you guys care a lot about coating and little about emulsioning.

    There are plenty of coating lines in this world capable of coating 8 layers+ which have undercapacity and thus would be very happy to coat for anyone putting money on the table. If you bed the process in you get what you require acording to your specs. Yes, you waste some emulsion at the beginning to get it tweaked but then it runs off the line and runs and runs...

    If you can provide the right emulsions you can have coated what you need.

    Films, papers, nicotine-bandaids, carglass-sunshades and many more products.

    But again. It wasnīt me saying we are almost there yet. We arenīt.
    We hope for the best and all tests look promising.
    This is an attempt by more people than just Fotoimpex and we all spend our money and time on it. If we suceed we hope to get back what we invested.

    If not, then at least we tried and carry on what we did before: enjoying life and taking b&w pictures.

    Regards from Berlin,

    Mirko

    BTW who ever distributes Agfa chemistry manufactured by a&o does not change a thing about it beeing manufactured by a&o
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgK View Post

    There is no information on the re-start of film production.

    Regards
    Georg
    There is! From Mirko:

    "yes this it what it means.....BUT in photo emulsioning it is not only the recipe but also the kitchen that is important and it (the kitchen) needs to be operated constantly.
    Even Agfa itself was not able to reproduce the last APX production run which took place in early 2004 on their very own identical equipment in late 2005 after a break of only 1,5 years.
    The film came out differently and needed to be touched up with the emulsionists "magic stick" (please spare me the details now) but this is why the last batches out now differ from the ones dated 2006 and 2007.
    If it is better or worse depends on the vote of the consumers. Sofar they are happy but the scientists have measured slightly substandard values even after touch up.

    The old Agfa kettle to make APX for example took 1000 Liters and was built in 1965. This kettle has repair patches over and over, smells bad and is history now.

    What we are trying to do is running original recipes but on new, much smaller gear built in 2002-2004.
    The machines used are from the former agfa research departement which are basically a copy of the original larger machinery on miniature scale (40 liters).
    Yet even these kettles can produce per anno enough emulsion for hundreds of thousands of films or tens of thousands of sqm of paper if they run day and night.

    The new equipment is fully computer controled and infrared equipped and if we manage to run the emulsions on this we have achieved what we aim for: micro scale production of highest quality films with most modern technology available at workable prices to ensure the availability of fine b/w products for many many years to come.

    Will it be similar to the original ? Answer: Yes.
    Will it be 100% like the original ? Answer: Most likely no.
    Can it be better than the original: yes !

    Last question: When will it be available ?
    Answer: I really canīt say.

    We did not want to communicate this too early because this really is an ambitious project and there are many challenges to face still but since it is impossible to keep it totally secret and before rumours cause more harm then good I decided to publish this today.
    We almost have everything we need. Now we need time and a little bit of luck.

    Regards,

    Mirko

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie Brim View Post
    Also, from what I understand, A&O Rodinal is the same as the more modern Rodinal...but no one can be sure until they get some to test. I'm still working on my old bottle of Agfa stuff.
    There has never been a change to Agfa Rodinal when AgfaPhoto was bought out, and not after the insolvency either, and even though the ownership has changed, it is still Agfa Rodinal bearing the Agfa logo. There is no such thing as A&O Rodinal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Layne View Post
    Especially as it is the old stuff which keeps for ever-not the new version
    I assume you can't back up that statement with facts?
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    Get in touch with MACO!

    HI Sanders McNew!

    Very easy per E-mail: photo@mahn.net!


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    Mirco,
    All power to your elbow sir, you have my best wishes and if you succeed you will have some of my money.
    Regards Paul.

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    RE-START

    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgK View Post
    Oh my G*d. This topic has now been discussed a hundred times on the net, but people seem to be very resistant against real information, and prefer guessing.
    So, once more: Agfa Gevaert is a different company than AgfaPhoto, and ist still alive and kicking. They still coat film like microfilm (Agfa Copex), and sometimes they seem do to special (or slightly modified) coatings for resellers like MACO (e.g. Rollei25).
    Everything else sold as Agfa at the moment is old stock from the last production runs 2004/2005. Sometimes originally packaged, sometimes cut and spooled by 3rd-party companies post mortem.

    The "rebirth" of Agfa paper (although under a different brand) is defintively a serious project. Sure, the "research coating machine" is smaller than the original one, but I think this is not a bad thing in the actual market. For example, regarding to information (mostly in german forums) from people involved in this project (e.g. Fotoimpex boss Mirko Boedekker), the emulsion kettle is 50 liters (compared to the old 1000 l from the sixties). A 20-fold downsizing seems reasonable.
    These guys seem to have invested a lot of resources into this project, and I do not think they did this for fun. It is also very important for them economically, as they distribute papers under their own labels, but sources for paper for re-labelling are rapidly drying out.

    There is no information on the re-start of film production.

    Regards
    Georg

    In this connection , the newest announcement already permits an deep view on MACO's integration of world-wide driving out organisation concerning the international continuation of the AGFA chemistry, under MACO's direction. MACO is already very deeply merged into the old and above all, new AGFA subsequent organisation, contrary to FOTOIMPEX. And, MACO never made an secret from the fact, that important films of the ROLLEI FILM ASSORTMENT are manufactured by the AGFA GEVAERT, Belgium. AGFA GEVAERT (www.agfa.com) is independently from the AGFA PHOTO GmbH, Germany, therefore not affected by the insolvency. In addition AGFA GEVAERT with up-to-date 15.000 employees, was already for many years the large partner in the international AGFA company enterprise. With MACO one can get ORIGINAL AGFA APX 100 and APX 400, at present still available in million-quantities for order. The original AGFA film boxes are printed on, by the AGFA company, with expiration date of 2010. The last supplies from this production were cut down as ROLL FILMS, and are available today in substantial numbers (more than 80.000 pieces in each case) packed as ROLLEI RETRO 100 and RETRO 400. Of course, MACO is merged due to (for many years,intensive,proven) the proximity to the AGFA, into many future steps, concerning re-start of AGFA factory techniques procedure. And due to the substantial sales with MACO FILMS, also MACO possesses the strength, to be again more solid for these new activities, as an reliable partner.
    The proximity from MACO to large American dealers is to be addressed perhaps once openly. So is FREESTYLE, L.A., already since over an decade, a reliable partner for MACO in the U.S.A., and will become also in the future an important role selling ROLLEI films, as well as AGFA decay products. An important role also, European dealers take a strong role in this connection, e.g. SILVERPRINT and ROBERT WHITE in UK, PROPHOT and MX2 in France, like also FOTOIMPEX and MONOCHROM in Germany. In order to mention only some current MACO partners.

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    I just bought a bottle of rodinal from freestyle. different from the bottle I bought from them last Nov, this one is not packed in the agfa red box. There is not develop info either. also the color of the liquid seems to be lighter than the one I ordered last time.

    any clue?? On the bottle it says a&o imaging solution.

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