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Coating plant for hire!!
It seems that the Agfa/Gaevart plant in Belgium offers custom coating facilities. This would be in addition to the huge variety of films (color & b/w) and papers they coat under their own brands. See my posts under the Another Agfa rumor heading.
anyway, here is the data from their web site:
Agfa offers its chemical and coating expertise on a custom-manufacturing base.
Pilot coaters
coating on a short loop with small amounts of coating solution and base (web width 24 cm) and with controlled drying conditions
coating on a continuous base for larger amounts of prototype material under controlled drying conditions
Production installations - watch movie * (4.2 MB)
multilayer cascade and curtain coating with precision coating heads
single or double coating on web in a single pass
front side + back side coating in a single pass
variable coating width
aqueous and solvent coatings (possible in tandem)
gravure coating, multiple coating stations in register, solvent based coatings
solvent coating with multiple coatings in one pass
coatings on glass
in line corona treatment
production web widths up to 1.75m
multiple drying sections, individually temperature and humidity controlled
inert gas drying
dust class: 1.000 a 10.000
coating in dark room conditions
quality control by inline inspection system
production facilities with filtered air at positive pressure
Mix capabilities
mix capabilities on site
computer controlled mix preparation
different sizes of stainless steel vessels
controlled active degassing
in line filtration
multiple in line injections
Converting, slitting
can be offered at the same site
different light conditions, a.o. dark room conditions
Quality management certifications
ISO 9001: 2000
ISO 14001: 2004
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Well, yeah, but...I suspect there are a couple of problems here:
1) I have no idea as to whether you could coat photographic emulsions using this equipment (I'll defer to others here, such as PhotoEngineer)
2) Custom=Expensive (No need for me to defer here - I'm on pretty secure ground with this one). I suspect this would be the sort of operation that would require a considerable cash advance.
I'd hate to have to front Agfa, say, 1 million EUR and then have to charge $20 USD for every roll of 120
FujiFilm also does this sort of thing. If EK does it, I've yet to learn of it.
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Oh, the AgfaGevart coating lines are absolutely for light-sensitive film products, as they make dozens of them at this facility. B/W, Color, and Photo Papers.
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I think you'll find that Ilford would offer custom coating facilities at Mobberley if you asked them. After all they do manufacture materials for a large Japanese photographic company.
Perhaps I should add that Ilford used to have something on their website stating that they were looking for other possible avenues to utilise their coating technologies.
Ian
Last edited by Ian Grant; 02-10-2007 at 05:36 AM. Click to view previous post history.
Reason: Additional information
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Meaning a certain range of "Neo" films?
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Polaroid also offers custom coating. See their web site.
None of this is cheap and you have to come to them with a coatable material. If you don't have the emulsion and they make it, if it does not work, tough. R&D is extra.
In other words, you have to do all of the R&D yourself, and you have to do pilot runs somehow to learn how to scale things up. Or, you pay to have them do it for you.
It will work and work well, but in the end it ain't cheap and it ain't quick.
PE
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 Originally Posted by Tom Kershaw
Meaning a certain range of "Neo" films?
I would think it would be more like a certain line of Orientalish papers.
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PHOTONE you think wrong :-)
In the BJP a few years ago there was mention of a co-operative agreement between Ilford and Fuji, regarding B&W films, this was also published in the financial & business sections of various UK newspapers as well.
Yes I have also heard that Oriental papers may be being sourced from the Uk, but the rumour seemed to indicate it came from our second paper manufacturer.
Ian
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Originally Posted by Photo Engineer
Polaroid also offers custom coating. See their web site.
None of this is cheap and you have to come to them with a coatable material. If you don't have the emulsion and they make it, if it does not work, tough. R&D is extra.
In other words, you have to do all of the R&D yourself, and you have to do pilot runs somehow to learn how to scale things up. Or, you pay to have them do it for you.
It will work and work well, but in the end it ain't cheap and it ain't quick.
PE
Interesting...
When Mirko Boddecker of Fotoimpex has discussed the possible resumption of APX emulsion production using AgfaPhoto's research "kettle", many asked how he would coat it onto film
I don't know how emulsion "travels" (i.e. if it could be transported from one site to another), but is this approach a possibility?
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Originally Posted by Ian Grant
PHOTONE you think wrong :-)
In the BJP a few years ago there was mention of a co-operative agreement between Ilford and Fuji, regarding B&W films, this was also published in the financial & business sections of various UK newspapers as well.
Yes I have also heard that Oriental papers may be being sourced from the Uk, but the rumour seemed to indicate it came from our second paper manufacturer.
Ian
I believe this had to do with a short-lived C-41 film that Fuji offered which was based on XP2 Super.
Rumors abound that the present Oriental papers are nothing more than re-labeled Ilford Multigrade.
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