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    Oren-believe me I'm usually the first one to jump over the mountain when it comes to getting things done with group purchases/orders. I waited what-over a year for the amidol purchase but now I have what I consider to be a lifetime supply. I think it;s wonderful to have some of these different sizes available for the LF community. 5x7 was my FIRST camera over 30 years ago and I never ever saw anyone else using one that I remember. Ebay and the internet have changed the parameters. You're right; these things come up quite frequently on Ebay.
    I'm in for at least six holders....
    Best, Peter

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    The more mountain jumpers, the merrier!

    You won't have to join a group purchase for these holders, though - my understanding is that they'll be offered as a retail product and sold to individual purchasers through the usual Fotoman dealer network.

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    Clay-thanks for the info. I guess the lack of or whatever answers the question.
    So everyone who is buying these holders has one of these cameras?? Or are you going to start modifying 5x7's and 8x10's?? Just VERY curious
    Thanks, Peter
    Err...most of us have at least one whole plate camera. Maybe three. I'm losing count.

    There are plenty of whole-plate cameras available - maybe less so in the States compared to England & Japan?


    Here's the reference for the firestarter threads Peter:

    http://www.largeformatphotography.in...ad.php?t=23909
    http://www.largeformatphotography.in...ad.php?t=23875

    Of course, the Ebony is a goal-post niche product in the whole-plate camera revival: it probably is the only modern whole-plate camera in (current) manufacture. The rest of the available whole plate cameras are more vintage cameras which require some degree of work or restoration.

    OK so someone tell me that in order to use these holders I will need a specialized view camera to use them??
    Ok.....you need a specialised view camera to use them.....not!

    A traditional whole plate camera - UK = Sanderson/Thornton Pickard/ Lancaster/Gandolfi/Coronet models, or Japanese (Nagoka, Charten, Ebony), or American (you guys know more about these than I do) is all you need.
    There are various 8x10" cameras which can accept a whole-plate reducing back. If there is no pre-existing whole-plate reducing back, that's where the camera machinist comes in to manufacture a reducing back for your 8x10"....

    Or to have a camera back modified by Richard Ritter
    Oren's answered that question for you. Yes.
    Would it not be possible to be able to have the holders fit into the sliding back of my current 8x10? ;or am I asking too much?? I mean these cameras don't exist so why is everyone ordering holders?
    Not at all - you're asking the same question that most of us asked. The modification charge for your 8x10" may however be the same as a whole-plate camera + lens....

    Essentially the whole-plate format (6 1/2 x 8 1/2") lives on, despite the slide of the whole-plate camera into history's annals. I think the internet does indeed have a lot to do with this, particularly that awful auction site where suddenly, a whole-plate camera being off-loaded in the middle of nowhere, becomes instantly accessible to every other obscure whole-plate fantasist across the ocean. Some of us have always admired the whole-plate format for its size and format dimensions, only to have been thwarted by the lack of camera knowledge/film availability etc. Personally, I think adapting an 8x10" is only a part-solution, as the attraction towards whole-plate is a personal size of camera and negative area which is more manageable for book-printing and design as contact prints.

    Again, don't get too over excited about film availability.

    I've just heard from Fuji that whole-plate Fuji Acros is no longer available ;(

    If you are ever in the British National Portrait Gallery or anywhere where Victorian plate photographs are displayed (Julia Margaret Cameron, Dorothea Lange, Ansel Adams etc), then the whole plate format and its attraction will start making sense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_5419 View Post

    Again, don't get too over excited about film availability.

    I've just heard from Fuji that whole-plate Fuji Acros is no longer available ;(
    Did you hear it from a Fuji rep? I asked Dirk Rosler from Megaperls (the place to get loose sheet is looking into the Fuji Acros whole plate sized film, but I haven't heard back from him yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colrehogan View Post
    Did you hear it from a Fuji rep? I asked Dirk Rosler from Megaperls (the place to get loose sheet is looking into the Fuji Acros whole plate sized film, but I haven't heard back from him yet.

    Diane
    I checked my Japanese references back to 1995, and don't see any record of Acros ever having been available in whole plate. Certainly one or more of its predecessor emulsions would have been, but I don't know how long it's been since those were deleted from the catalog.

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    They still make Half-plate available. Perhaps that's what has been recently deleted.

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    Did you hear it from a Fuji rep? I asked Dirk Rosler from Megaperls (the place to get loose sheet is looking into the Fuji Acros whole plate sized film, but I haven't heard back from him yet.
    That's correct: a photographer colleague of mine who works in the Far East got in touch with Yosuke Asou at Fuji's Customer Services and forwarded the correspondence to me. It may have been some confusion with the English language which led to the omission of 'half'-plate film availability.

    Fuji's explanation was that they did not have the tooling facilities for whole plate film. When asked how come they could cut 10x8" Fuji Acros, there was no reply.

    You may be better off satisfying your own curiosity: email Fuji individually and ask them why whole plate film is no longer available from Fujifilm. I'd rather people did that in order to create sufficient awareness at Fujifilm that their absence is being felt, rather than just believing what I've heard.


    They still make Half-plate available. Perhaps that's what has been recently deleted.
    Grief! Don't start...!

    Half-plate Fuji Acros film has not been deleted. Yousuke Asou said no such thing. You do realise now it's going to take about 20 pages + of forum comments to eventually calm the hysteria that will follow this 'maybe discontinued' comment now!

    Would everyone please just email Fujifilm personally and ask why whole plate film is not available - they will give a straight answer. They have a contact address on their website:

    http://www.fujifilm.co.uk/contact/

    Ask away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_5419 View Post
    ...email Fuji individually and ask them why whole plate film is no longer available from Fujifilm...
    I'd not waste the effort. Market forces drive product availability. Rather than pressure Fuji, why not choose from the two fine emulsions Ilford offers in whole plate, FP4 Plus and HP5 Plus?

    Don't misunderstand; Acros is a fine film. I use it in QuickLoads when traveling with a 4x5. But, for the long term, Ilford is much more likely to be supplying us black and white sheet film than is Fuji. In my opinion supporting Ilford is a better strategy for ensuring product availablity.

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    That's true Sal.

    The Fuji option mattered only because some of the photographers out in the Far East don't have easy access to the Ilford whole-plate options. Ilford has never advertised it there, so many expat photographers based out in the Far East are in the dark about Ilford products altogether.

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    Count me in -- if I can line up a camera, I'm good for at least five for a first purchase, with another five if I can make the rig work for me.

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