Resurrection of some former Agfa products

[jmdavis]

Mirko,

I would be interested in testing the paper. MC111 was/is my favorite RC paper. How should I provide you with my information?


Mike Davis

[Rolleiflexible]

Mirko, is it possible that you all might also resurrect the MCC 118 paper? IF so, could you do it without that annoying pebble surface? I loved the color and tone of the paper and emulsion, but couldn't get past the pebble texture to use it. Is it too soon to be thinking down the road to other Agfa papers you might eventually bring to market?

[George Papantoniou]

Dear Santa,

I would like Portriga Rapid, Record Rapid, Ektalure and the old Oriental back in production...:rolleyes:

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

How should I provide you with my information?

Please send an email with your address to: mccproject@adox.de

Best regards,

Mirko

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Is it too soon to be thinking down the road to other Agfa papers you might eventually bring to market?

ofcourse not !

We can discuss almost anything but our time is booked until about this time next year with the MCC/MCP and the films. Any additional project couldn´t start before this date and ofcourse will only be looked into if the other projects have been economically succesfull.

We have already considered Portriga Rapid as a fixed grade paper in order to round up the product portfolio. But these papers beeing discontinued before the ecologists went totaly crazy, contained (..not-noticeable amounts of..) mercury and cadmium. Both mercury and cadmium may not be used anymore (even if you can proof that you take less than the average amount beeing present in the environment anyways) and no one knows if the subtitutes will produe a paper as nice as the old one was because these substances are actually affecting the crystal build up. The old formulations are also based on active gelatins. Active gelatins do not exist anymore and the modern inert types usually cause a decrease in speed which needs to be compensated by a separate sensitization. So even if we start on original equipment with original formulations the paper coming out of this will be a somewhat different one.

I guess if there is enough interest form you guys we can possibly look into this in a way like this: We´ll play with the formulations for a while and update them to a modern standard with parameters which we would consider ideal. Then we coat a few samples and send them out to former users of the old type. After this it would depend on your vote if the paper is worth beeing made.

Best regards,

Mirko

Just so there is no confusion. The above apllies only to the remake of ancient products which have been discontinued for many years. The above does not refer to the MCC project or the film project.

[Rolleiflexible]

Mirko, that's very cool. It's fantastic to see a firm with the interest and the resources to keep B+W papers alive like this.

I understand the problems you mention with papers like Portriga. How about a more modest effort, like MCC 118? That was a modern paper, shouldn't be so difficult to replicate. (Just dump the pebble surface, please. :-) )

Sanders

[PHOTOTONE]

Is there any reason why the modern versions of these papers can't be BETTER than the originals?

[George Papantoniou]

ofcourse not !

We have already considered Portriga Rapid as a fixed grade paper in order to round up the product portfolio. But these papers beeing discontinued before the ecologists went totaly crazy, contained (..not-noticeable amounts of..) mercury and cadmium. Both mercury and cadmium may not be used anymore (even if you can proof that you take less than the average amount beeing present in the environment anyways) and no one knows if the subtitutes will produe a paper as nice as the old one was because these substances are actually affecting the crystal build up.

Dear Santa,

There is a simple solution for this problem: Install the production plant in Greece. Here we can use all the forbidden chemicals without telling anyone the we do, and if there ever is a control (this doesn't happen more often than a total solar eclipse) we can always bribe them or convince them that the containers that say "mercury" and "cadmium" are actually fakes, or were forgotten here by the previous owner, or we keep them there but don't use them (a friend of ours asked us if he could leave them in our plant for a while), etc etc... After all, I doubt that there exists any environmental issue control at all in Greece...

[Phillip P. Dimor]

The first 4x5 sheet film and 35mm non-kodak film I ever used was Agfa. And the last large paper purchase I've made was Agfa MCP two years ago. This post brightened my day after watching the Red Sox lose last night.

[Bob Carnie]

I am in agreement with George, lets get some cadium back in the emulsion.

Dear Santa,

I would like Portriga Rapid, Record Rapid, Ektalure and the old Oriental back in production...:rolleyes: