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Whichever side you believe in, it's hard to trust any scientist. They will write any old paper for whatever political agenda as long as they secure some funding to keep themselves in a temporary job.
With a planet waxing and waning out of ice ages long before humans appeared on the planet and something as colossal as the sun fluctuating in temperature, exploding massive energy towards our planet and a neighbouring planet which turned to red dust, it seems ridiculous that tiny creatures from termites to humans have been blamed for such spectacular events.
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[QUOTE=copake_ham;526060]I like Hillary - and will likely vote for her in our NYS primary and, if she gets the nomination, in the general election in November 2008.
But, as one can see, she is a "lightening rod" for a lot of folk - including Dave. Sadly, over the next fourteen months certain folk will blame Hillary for everything and anything including their pet that gets run over and the rain that spoils their Sunday picnic! :rolleyes:
Goodness no....I am waiting for Al to throw his hat in the ring.
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 Originally Posted by Andy K  Andy,
The IPCC accounted for solar fluctuation and determined that it is not enough to account for the warming. The cosmic ray article I simply do not give much credence. As for the Third World industrializing, regardless of the global warming issue, our ecosystem can't withstand the Third World industrializing the way we did. The correct answer to this problem is that the developed world needs to assist the Third World with clean industrialization.
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Originally Posted by Gary Holliday Whichever side you believe in, it's hard to trust any scientist. They will write any old paper for whatever political agenda as long as they secure some funding to keep themselves in a temporary job.
With a planet waxing and waning out of ice ages long before humans appeared on the planet and something as colossal as the sun fluctuating in temperature, exploding massive energy towards our planet and a neighbouring planet which turned to red dust, it seems ridiculous that tiny creatures from termites to humans have been blamed for such spectacular events. Amen to that! Anyone in academia knows you get patted on the back for going with the flock, and your hand slapped for independent thought. This is all such tripe. As we're coming out of an ice age, no one knows just how warm the planet should be. And the recent rash of solar flares when the eggheads thought the sun at solar minimum is proof that the "experts" are lucky to hit one in ten of their predictions.
Good lord, as if one light bulb makes any difference. Seems that the old addage "Better to light one candle than curse the darkness" would be snuffed out by the Eco Terrorists for contributing to global warming!
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Originally Posted by Gary Holliday Whichever side you believe in, it's hard to trust any scientist. They will write any old paper for whatever political agenda as long as they secure some funding to keep themselves in a temporary job. Gary,
This is imply flat out wrong. You clearly have no idea of how scientific research works. Scientific papers are subject to rigorous peer review by other scientists with no vested interest in the outcome. Then after the paper is published, other scientists will attempt to reproduce the results and they can't will publish that result and discredit the first paper. Furthermore, a scientist who does not do good unbiased research tarnishes the reputation of the university he works for and will quickly find himself out of a job.
Originally Posted by Gary Holliday With a planet waxing and waning out of ice ages long before humans appeared on the planet and something as colossal as the sun fluctuating in temperature, exploding massive energy towards our planet and a neighbouring planet which turned to red dust, it seems ridiculous that tiny creatures from termites to humans have been blamed for such spectacular events. The thing is that the decline in average temperature that causes an ice age is in fact less than the rise in average over the past 150 years or so. As to the suns output, it is in fact extremely stable - significant fluctuations in the suns output happen over the course of millions to tens of millions of years.
We simply are not a tiny as you seem to think - consider at current rates, all the rain forests in the world will be gone by 2060. We are nearly exhausting all the worlds oil reserves and all that carbon that makes them up originally came from the atmosphere.
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Originally Posted by Andy K 'Most climatologists believe it is caused by human activities' but they don't know for certain do they?
In the meantime the Third World is being denied the chance to industrialise because the Eco-Taliban have made 'clean' manufacturing too expensive for them. So half the world continues to live in squalor thanks to the greens. Also billions of mercury containing lightbulbs are about to be forced into use, putting mercury pollution into the food chain on a global scale.
Here's another nail in the coffin of manmade global warming: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1368920.ece Dr Svensmark suggests that the Sun, at a historically high level of activity, is deflecting many of the cosmic rays away from Earth and thus reducing the cloud cover. One other thing, you keep harping on the CF bulbs - what about all those florescent tubes office buildings have been using for years?
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Just one among the incomprehensible horrors of 9/11 is considering the countless number of florescent bulbs that were pulverized into dust in a moment's time.
That is called grain. It is supposed to be there.
=Neal W.=
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Ha… I knew this was a new religion all along – bring back the lions!
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Originally Posted by Andy K I have not bought into any propaganda. I have made up my own mind. I do not believe climate change is caused by man, for these reasons:
1. The total volume of atmospheric CO2 makes up 0.054% of the atmosphere. Of that 0.054% human activities contribute less than 1%. So restricting our choices, forcing us to use poisonous appliances, raising taxes in the name of the environment will have no effect on climate change. You might as well tell Amazonian natives not to piss in the Amazon in case they make it flood.
2. Atmospheric CO2 is a result of global warming, not a cause of global warming. The temperature rises and then the amount of atmospheric CO2 rises. If it was the other way round global temperatures would have risen steadily throughout the 20th century, but they didn't. In fact from 1940 to the late 70s global temperatures fell, for four consecutive decades and all the talk was of a coming ice age.
3. The green movement is no longer about the environment, it is about removing freedom of choice from the majority. It is about the politics of envy and spite. When I call them the Eco-Taliban I do so because that is exactly what they have become, a Taliban who will brook no disagreement against their great god Seotu, and who will vilify anyone who disputes their propaganda. Finally, someone thinking for himself. Kudos to you.
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