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Old 11-22-2007, 09:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Dear Fellow Photographers,

As you may be aware, Kodak has announced plans to discontinue manufacture distribution of HIE-135 infrared film by the end of December 2007.

Below I have copied an email I sent to Patrick Hamilton, Public Relations Director, Kodak CDG EAMER:
patrick.hamilton@kodak.com. Mr. Hamilton has encouraged me to write Kodak and is aware that I am attempting to start an email campaign to save HIE-135. He has assured me that he will get the messages to the appropriate people.

I ask each and every one of you to please take a moment and write an email to Kodak. Copy my letter if you like or simply write “I urge you to continue manufacture and distribution of HIE-135 infrared film. Please reverse the decision to discontinue it.” Even if you don't ever plan to use film again, consider those of us who do and make this tiny effort.

I plan to post a very similar message to forums and IR groups, such as WJ’s Infrared Forum, The Infrared Forum, APUG, Flickr, and Photo.net. If any of you know of other forums I should post to please send me that information. Please contact me if you like: nighthawkjw@gmail.com

Thank you all for your assistance. I know we can make this happen if we try!

Sincerely,
James C. Williams

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Dear Kodak,

This message is to be distributed to those responsible for the choice to delete or discontinue Kodak's HIE-135 infrared film. The purpose of this message is to persuade those people to reverse that choice.

Among the many applications of photography there is a unique type of film that produces very unusual photographs, infrared film. It's initial and major commercial purpose has been for scientific and security purposes. However, aside from these mundane applications, a much more visually appealing application is fine art photography using infrared film.

Many fine art photographers recognise the great benefits of using film and prefer film to digital. In the case of infrared photography, there are many people trying different approaches to using digital cameras, but that system has problems to be solved and the results are not nearly as good as those produced by HIE-135.

Among other infrared films, HIE-135 is also unique and superior. The extended range of 900nm produces a greater sensitivity to the infrared spectrum, and the absence of an anti-halide backing makes it ideal for producing images evoking surreal and ethereal properties that no other film produces. No other film manufacturer producing infrared film today makes a film like HIE-135.

Discontinuing the manufacture and distribution of HIE-135 infrared film will mean that photographers like myself will have to compromise future bodies of work. It will mean that perhaps the best infrared photographer, Simon Marsden, who has dedicated 35 years to producing thousands of images on HIE-135, will have to either adapt or end his career now.

The responsibility of a creative medium for many people lies in this decision. It not only represents the choice to stop making a specific type of film, but is indicative of the future of all film. Kodak was responsible for the popularity of photography, and needs to be responsible for safeguarding the future of it as well.

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Old 11-22-2007, 01:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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I don't think you understand how film manufacturing works. In all probability the last coating run for this film was a year ago. When it came up on the rotation for coating again, the decline in sales of this emulsion caused Kodak to decide to not coat it again. The notice that is would be discontinued by the end of the year is just based on how long it will take to sell existing stock. It is discontinued when they have no more stock to sell, not when they stopped manufacturing it. For all practical purposes the last coating was done a year ago, or more. Kodak is not producing "new" stock now, other than possibly cutting down from the last master roll and spooling into 35mm cassettes.

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Old 11-22-2007, 01:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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If they had all of the chemicals still available including the IR senstizing dye, a run could be made. This would be better than incinerating the chemistry.

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Old 11-22-2007, 02:04 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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My Nikon uses the DX technology so I can't use HIE in 135. Now that I have started developing film, I would consider trying HIE in 120.

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Old 11-22-2007, 02:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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Dear Fellow Photographers,

As you may be aware, Kodak has announced plans to discontinue manufacture distribution of HIE-135 infrared film by the end of December 2007.
Time to move along guys, HIE is gone and at $13 a roll I can see why. This is a film that I used almost exclusively for 3 years but I'm done with it. I do regret it's loss but I could see this one coming.
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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How about since it's Thanksgiving over here in Rochester we instead send Kodak thousands upon thousands of letters thanking them for their hard work over the years in bringing us these products

That may make more of an impact than an email brigade to try and save 1 film ..that I'm sure was getting slaughtered since digital took over
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:45 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
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My Nikon uses the DX technology so I can't use HIE in 135. Now that I have started developing film, I would consider trying HIE in 120.

Steve
Hi Steve
Why does DX technology preclude you from using HIE in 135? Are you talking about DX coding on the cassettes or DX lens which are for digital cameras. Or am I missing something?

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Old 11-22-2007, 03:03 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
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Hi Steve
Why does DX technology preclude you from using HIE in 135? Are you talking about DX coding on the cassettes or DX lens which are for digital cameras. Or am I missing something?

Michael
I think DX enabled cameras use IR light to read the bar code. It can therefore fog IR film.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:10 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
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I think DX enabled cameras use IR light to read the bar code. It can therefore fog IR film.
The DX code is read by electrical contacts, not IR. I think he may be referring to IR sprocket hole counting which is used by some cameras during wind on.


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