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    Speaking of 400UC. I've only shot one roll of 120 400UC on a seagull tlr i was given to fix. They were family shots and I had it developed and printed at A&I. The color was outstanding. How long was this film around and why did it get axed? Is 400VC close?
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    Bill;

    I wish I knew the answers. I have not made a direct comparison. I used VC films almost exclusively.

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    Actually, I was joking, the "No Grain" comment was that each new versions has 'even finer grain' so when does it disappear completely.

    I still have a few pro-packs of 100 and 400 UC in 120, saving them for another decade so I can rant about how good it was way back when in the 'aughts...

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    I'm mostly a B&W guy, but I've used some of the 160NC/VC-2. I never did get around to ordering any of the version 2 400 films (local stores don't carry it). Heck, I guess I'll just have to try 400NC-3 now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidingWaves View Post
    Actually, I was joking, the "No Grain" comment was that each new versions has 'even finer grain' so when does it disappear completely.

    I still have a few pro-packs of 100 and 400 UC in 120, saving them for another decade so I can rant about how good it was way back when in the 'aughts...

    You will never get zero grain.

    I did coatings of cast dyes which were pure dye molecules in gelatin. We measured them and they showed measurable grain. It gets down to the noise in the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    You will never get zero grain.

    I did coatings of cast dyes which were pure dye molecules in gelatin. We measured them and they showed measurable grain. It gets down to the noise in the system.

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    Can you say what kind of enlargement would be necessary to have visible grain clumping?
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    I'm just curious to see if Kodak can get its grain down to the same level as Fuji Provia 400X...which is quite frankly, incredible for a 400 ISO film. Obviously, being a negative film, the Portra won't be able to match the color saturation of the Provia, but if the grain is small enough then it could turn into a really sweet all-purpose portrait film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhv View Post
    Can you say what kind of enlargement would be necessary to have visible grain clumping?
    Well, with the cast dye coatings, there was no 'clumping' as such. At worst, since these were sulfonic acid azo dyes, the dye would form a micelle in gelatin + water and you might be able to see that, but I think in this case we were looking at noise in the system.

    As far as regular films, I have enlargements up to 16x20 from 35mm and they are remarkably clear of clumping. You can see some grain, but not what I would class as the traditional clumping I saw in films from the 50s and 60s.

    However, I have a 16x20 of a blue swimming pool on Kodacolor X from the 60 and even with that uniform color, you cannot see clumping. So, it varies.

    I hope that answers your question.

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    Thanks PE, that gives me an idea. I enlarged Portra 400NC 35mm on Supra Endura, and I was amazed not to see grain at all. I can't enlarge bigger with my current setup, but that's already quite impressive. And the shadow detail was great: my subject had a black shirt with slight bits of shiny thread that you can see just clearly enough.
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    It seems unfortunate that Kodak would bring us this great new film, but the only place we can see it is on their tiny image gallery. These 300x300 (?) images from medium format film don't really tell us much about the product.

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