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    Speaking of 400UC. I've only shot one roll of 120 400UC on a seagull tlr i was given to fix. They were family shots and I had it developed and printed at A&I. The color was outstanding. How long was this film around and why did it get axed? Is 400VC close?
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    I wish I knew the answers. I have not made a direct comparison. I used VC films almost exclusively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbill View Post
    Speaking of 400UC. I've only shot one roll of 120 400UC on a seagull tlr i was given to fix. They were family shots and I had it developed and printed at A&I. The color was outstanding. How long was this film around and why did it get axed? Is 400VC close?
    I wish I knew.

    I have not used the 120 VC 400 that I have yet so I can't say.

    When I heard that 120 UC400 was being discontinued I rushed to Samys and brought every roll they had (55 rolls) so that I could keep the film from the hoarders.

    I wish that I had done the same with 120 HIE, but APUG had not gotten to me at that time. Since then APUG got to me and I process my black and white film.

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    Actually, I was joking, the "No Grain" comment was that each new versions has 'even finer grain' so when does it disappear completely.

    I still have a few pro-packs of 100 and 400 UC in 120, saving them for another decade so I can rant about how good it was way back when in the 'aughts...

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    I'm mostly a B&W guy, but I've used some of the 160NC/VC-2. I never did get around to ordering any of the version 2 400 films (local stores don't carry it). Heck, I guess I'll just have to try 400NC-3 now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidingWaves View Post
    I still have a few pro-packs of 100 and 400 UC in 120, saving them for another decade so I can rant about how good it was way back when in the 'aughts...
    RAOFLMAO - These youngens, it was afore their time, but I 'member back when gas was $3.00 per gallon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidingWaves View Post
    Actually, I was joking, the "No Grain" comment was that each new versions has 'even finer grain' so when does it disappear completely.

    I still have a few pro-packs of 100 and 400 UC in 120, saving them for another decade so I can rant about how good it was way back when in the 'aughts...

    You will never get zero grain.

    I did coatings of cast dyes which were pure dye molecules in gelatin. We measured them and they showed measurable grain. It gets down to the noise in the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    You will never get zero grain.

    I did coatings of cast dyes which were pure dye molecules in gelatin. We measured them and they showed measurable grain. It gets down to the noise in the system.

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    Can you say what kind of enlargement would be necessary to have visible grain clumping?
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    I'm just curious to see if Kodak can get its grain down to the same level as Fuji Provia 400X...which is quite frankly, incredible for a 400 ISO film. Obviously, being a negative film, the Portra won't be able to match the color saturation of the Provia, but if the grain is small enough then it could turn into a really sweet all-purpose portrait film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhv View Post
    Can you say what kind of enlargement would be necessary to have visible grain clumping?
    Well, with the cast dye coatings, there was no 'clumping' as such. At worst, since these were sulfonic acid azo dyes, the dye would form a micelle in gelatin + water and you might be able to see that, but I think in this case we were looking at noise in the system.

    As far as regular films, I have enlargements up to 16x20 from 35mm and they are remarkably clear of clumping. You can see some grain, but not what I would class as the traditional clumping I saw in films from the 50s and 60s.

    However, I have a 16x20 of a blue swimming pool on Kodacolor X from the 60 and even with that uniform color, you cannot see clumping. So, it varies.

    I hope that answers your question.

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