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    Would the loss of Kodak ultimately effect those who dabble with Black and white photography? While you may lose your favourite film, there are alternatives and I am sure many would adapt.

    But what about those who like to play in colour? Sure, you still have Fuji, but in reality, for how long? Black and White will continue and become the niche. Colour is what I fear will become extinct

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    Quote Originally Posted by munz6869 View Post
    What rotten news! I suppose the best thing to do is enjoy it while it lasts....

    Marc!
    I will enjoy it while it lasts, stock up, and hope that somebody else can smoothly take over manufacture of their formulas within a sustainable business structure. We will lose some great stuff if they go......T-Max, Tri-X, Portra...ah, hell.
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    This actually seems not be be new information, just one stockbroker's spin on things. Kodak released its quarterly and annual results about a week ago. It reported that film had posted an operational loss ("slipped into the red," as per the original post) for the fourth quarter of 2010 due to declining sales and increasing costs of raw materials. Kodak already indicated it would raise prices and perhaps cut some film products because of this. There is a thread about this on APUG. Today's story arises because Kodak had its annual meeting for shareholders today in NYC, I think.

    The stockbroker referenced in the original post is probably George Conboy, and his words are here: http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s1956065.shtml

    I didn't see anything new mentioned about film in the news stories that I skimmed today. In fact, Perez seems to go out of his way never to talk about film. And with respect, this is one stockbroker's opinion. Even if he's 100 percent right, he talks about Kodak selling the film division. Which means someone else would buy it, presumably to operate it. Kodak's film business would "go away" only in the sense that Kodak would no longer own it.

    By the way, as I read the release about the 2010 financial results, the film business posted an operating profit for 2010 as a whole. Revenues and profits are declining, however. Kodak has been stating it would get out of the film business as long as Perez has been in charge. If that date arrives in 2011 or 2012, who knows, it might be all to the good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian
    harman and eastman started coating plates at about the same time 1879
    What we have today is the \"Son of Ilford\" rather than the contemporary of Eastman Kodak.



    By all accounts the son is stronger because of the pruning that occurred during the receivership. Let\'s hope Kodak can pull off the same transformation. But the current Kodak and the current Ilford are not really comparable.
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    I would just hope they don't sell the film manufacturing to a Chinese company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    Time to stock up on T-Max and Tri-X.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing, and figuring out how much my freezer can hold . . .
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    Whatever is affecting Kodak, whether it be economy or silver prices, it will affect Ilford! Think about that for a bit before you go off. The difference is that Ilford does not have to give details!

    This is neither bad nor good, and does not change what was posted earlier this week. It is just an update.

    PE

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsdunek
    I would just hope they don't sell the film manufacturing to a Chinese company.
    Nah, the government will sell it to the Chinese after they take it over.
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    It will be VERY hard to find an outside buyer for a business with decreasing sales, questionable current profitability, and even more questionable future profitability. That is just finance 101.

    If there is to be a sale of the film division it would likely be structured as a management buyout in which certain key people in the film division would "buy" the operation via some kind of creative financing deal. Being free of certain former constraints, the management of the new company will have interesting ideas on how to operate the business profitably. The ideas might work. They might not. In any case, it will be risky.

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    Best for all concerned if I just watch this thread from the sidelines...

    Ken
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