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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    Ron,

    At rate and direction events are currently trending, where is Kodak going to be at the end of next year, or the year after?

    In the current worldwide economic environment, a case could reasonably be made that the working definition of "savvy" is "survival."

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    Ken;

    Considering my OP, IDK where Perez is going to be in a years time and that might make all the difference in the world wrt where Kodak will be.

    But then we don't know where the Impossible Project is going to be either and that is even in the face of their "campaign". After all, the product was pretty bad and unless they offer something better, discerning photographers will finally "catch on".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac View Post
    May be Kodak could invest in impossible project , create a better product and collect thee money.
    Perhaps Kodak could buy the patents that Polaroid sued them with in the '80s? Then they could perhaps sue Fuji...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac View Post
    Who buys Polaroid now ? Old followers or young fellows ?
    I think new Polaroids are romantic , like Palladium tones. If you study the material well , it creates excellent nudes , naturmonts. Yes my 350 is hungry and its lithium battery still active after 15 years.
    I think I will invest in it for my sisters visit.
    Both young and old, Polaroids are ironically seeing a real resurgence now that Polaroid itself just sells silly Zink Lady Gaga stuff. Very popular for nudes as you say and the artistic value of TIP really is being embraced widely.

    Your 350 can't use TIP film however. Impossible did NOT buy Polaroid's pack film machines sadly so you'll have to buy Fujifilm Instant to satisfy your 350.
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    The decree against Kodak enjoined them to refrain from all forms of Instant Analog Photography. I don't know if that is still in effect or how far it went or what! I do know that the RAMs, FAMs and COMAMs (machines to make the packs and assemble them) were destroyed as scrap. They are hugely expensive to build and it takes miles of film to fine tune them. In fact, TIP films right now may be what they are using to tune up the machines and process. They are just making the customer pay. IDK at all of course, this is pure speculation and kind of tongue in cheek, but you see my point, I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    Are you a new moderator, Steve?
    Actually, I've been wondering that too...
    I think Steve may be the new Hasselblad-sponsored moderator.
    Or maybe he is just keeping his post count up...

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    Harry , Thank you ,

    It is sad to learn that. I think I must fit a 120 back to my polaroid and tone the positives with palladium. Or buy Fuji and use its cassette for paper negatives but I dont know how to match lowest 75 ASA selection to paper. Any advise is welcome.

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    Statistically , If I write 50 years more , I will hit the PEs record By the way Ian , you are only 12 post for copper jubilee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Considering my OP, IDK where Perez is going to be in a years time and that might make all the difference in the world wrt where Kodak will be.

    But then we don't know where the Impossible Project is going to be either and that is even in the face of their "campaign". After all, the product was pretty bad and unless they offer something better, discerning photographers will finally "catch on".
    All true. But it obfuscates the original premise.

    TIP is making money - albeit on a much different scale than Kodak - because they are willing to market their film products in a predominantly digital photographic world, thus creating new demand for an analog product category that was previously extinct.

    Without their marketing there would be no demand. With their marketing they have been able to not only create demand, but successfully fill that demand with admittedly (even by TIP) inferior products. They are doing this because their goal is to be in the film business. And selling film services that goal.

    The quality of their products, while arguably a concern for those here who might consider using them, is apparently not a concern for TIP's target demographic. Hence a projected quadrupling of their sales volume. There's a reason TIP is not an APUG sponsor.

    But the quality of those products is not the real issue. Their method of successfully marketing and selling those products is the issue. And I believe the lesson to be drawn is the same one we've heard over and over here before in these discussions.

    TIP has shown, in that Jurassic Park sense, just how effective marketing film can be in today's digitally photographic world. And Kodak's films - the ones that remain - are of astoundingly high quality compared to TIP's current offerings.

    So if Kodak is truly serious about continuing their film business in the long-term, why won't they market their film products? And if they won't market their film products, what does that, by inference, say about their long-term intentions for film? And, by extension, their desire to be in the film business at all?

    [Note to Steve: The above are offered as rhetorical questions only, intended solely to provide some food for thought for those reading along. No APUG members were injured in the posing of those questions.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by bblhed View Post
    I would not like to see a hostile takeover of Kodak, unless that takeover is by APUG users.
    Judging by previous threads about Kodak and the wrath and acrimony therein, I think a takeover by APUG users would nosedive the company into the ground
    Those who know, shoot film

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    From my POV, both Steve and Ken have valid observations. We don't know where Kodak stock is going and we don't know where TIP is going either. But, from a purely analog POV, the TIP product is not worthy of any other existing analog film company IMHO. There is no excuse. If I had the time and energy, I could probably hand coat a product better than theirs in my DR! I have hand coated conventional products way better than any of theirs.

    To go on in this vein, much of Kodak's original integral and peel apart products looked as bad or worse, but they were never sold. They were scrapped! To me, it is the equivalent of a drug company trying an experimental drug on people knowing that there are going to be defects!

    Yeah, sure, there are those who have convinced themselves that this is "art", but look at some of the art today!

    PE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Umut Sarac View Post
    Who buys Polaroid now ? Old followers or young fellows ?
    I would say younger people, mostly. Flickr has lots of Polaroid users, and instant film users in general.
    Those who know, shoot film



 

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