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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaxuser View Post
    We live in a nasty world where people make money not by adding to the wealth of the world but simply by speculation with no concern for the consequences.

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    Even worse is, that they are allowed to do this with billions of borrowed / loaned money from banks, so in essence our money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco B View Post
    Even worse is, that they are allowed to do this with billions of borrowed / loaned money from banks, so in essence our money.
    Watch the movie 'Inside Job' some time, if you haven't already. I don't wish to derail the thread, but that there isn't legislation preventing trading in derivatives and betting against poorly performing mortgages is just utterly ludicrous. Mutual funds aren't safe anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt View Post
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    The people who got screwed are the 20% or 58 who lost their jobs at Harmon, that's not nice. I'd rather see some products cut and nothing new in the works than to see people lose their jobs.
    This is how companies go broke, cutting product development instead of cutting people.

    Having been in IT for 30 years I have been on the wrong end of this 4 times. 2 of those were clearly caused by another company doing better product development than the company I was with. Both of those companies survived because they took the hard road of letting people go. After every one of those layoffs I found a better job at better pay.

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    I hope the silver speculators get screwed like the Hunt Brothers 30 years ago at some point soon.

    Despite the price increase, I will still be using Ilford products because of their commitment to the market and the consistent quality of film and paper.
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    If Ilford goes up any higher in price, I'm switching to Adox.

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    No one can complain unless there buying film in canada or a country in a similar position, FP4 at the largest photo chain in 120 WITH my student discount is over $6 per 120 roll, and thats one of the cheapest offerings. If I want to buy colour like provia 400 god help me. A 100 sheet of the cheapest ilford RC is $80 , and prices go up from that.


    Its really tough, I love to support my local store, and they give me a decent discount which is nice, but even then im forced to support US stores often, unless I just want one or two rolls to test a new emulsion but the bulk orders where all the margin are is always through the states

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    I would ask them to match B&H's price but their retail is probably below cost in Canada. Though even B&H had to raise prices from $3.69 to $4.25 per roll of FP4+ 120

    T-max is now cheaper than Delta. HP5+ remains competitive.
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    That said, in 120 there aren't really alternatives to FP4+ or Delta 3200 so what can you do? Luckily I'm still working through what I bought in January before the last increase but it is dwindling.
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    Foma 100 is similar to FP4 although i would prefer FP4, delta 3200 in 120 is unique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    Watch the movie 'Inside Job' some time, if you haven't already. I don't wish to derail the thread, but that there isn't legislation preventing trading in derivatives and betting against poorly performing mortgages is just utterly ludicrous. Mutual funds aren't safe anymore.
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    I hope the silver speculators get screwed like the Hunt Brothers 30 years ago at some point soon.
    To really see what unregulated monster we are up to, see the following quote from this European Union critical raw materials summary report:

    "In addition, markets are experiencing the growing impact of finance, with a significant increase in financial investment flows into commodity derivative markets in recent years.
    Between 2003 and 2008, for example, institutional investors increased their investments in commodities markets from 13 billion euro in 2003 to between 170 and 205 billion euro in 2008. While the financial crisis interrupted the upward trend, financial positions approached or even exceeded their 2008 peaks on many markets in 2010 and investment by index traders in particular has increased strongly. While the debate on the relative importance of the multiple factors influencing commodities prices is still open, it is clear that price movements across different commodity markets have become more closely related, and that commodities markets have become more closely linked to financial markets."


    205(!) billion euro... , up from 13... Throwing in another 20 billion euro to buy up the entire worth of the worlds yearly silver production at a price of some 25 euro per ounce, is like buying a cup of coffee at Starbucks for them.

    Interestingly, you may wish to start rethinking what you are going to sign your prints in the next few years with... "Graphite" is listed as a critical resource! Using that good old worn pencil may become history in another few years. On the good site, no more new Chernobyl style graphite moderated nuclear reactors as well



    Also interestingly, silver is only mildly critical compared to some of the other resources, being lower in supply risk and lower in economic relevance...

    More here:
    http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/polic...l/index_en.htm

    And the full 84 page report and 223 page PDF annex to the short summary report linked entirely above:
    http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/polic...eport-b_en.pdf
    http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/polic...nex-v-b_en.pdf

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