Remember that stuff was made a few years ago, stored as huge rolls before being packaged, and is now being sold without the recent silver price rises coming in to play, and for a deliberately end-of-life price. The longest use-by date I have is not much more than a year.
Originally Posted by Paul Jenkin
That being said, it is/was really nice stuff and I have a bit more than 150 35mm rolls stored, but used up the 120 some time ago :-/
Havent really had time to read through the entire thread, but all I can say is I know that the last thing Harman have wanted to do is increase prices, but they really have little option. They have to keep the company profitable - in the end this is a company operated and owned by 6 enthusiast directors - and they don't all turn up at the office in Ferraries or Bentleys!
At the same time they have forged the alliance with Hahnemuhle and released a new FB paper - this really opens up the future of FB as Hahnemuhle, I understand, are a smaller and more adaptable mill to Felix Schoeller (who currently make ALL regular baryta FB base used by Ilford, Foma, Efke etc. and demand large minimum orders).
The other things I would say are - We haven't seen sales fall off following the increases. And whilst paper is a lot more costly than it was, it's still dwafed by the cost of high end inkjet.
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@Matt5791 - That seems a vary fair assessment of the situation as regards Ilford/Harman. I think that they are always as open as they can be with us, given due allowance for commercial sensitivities.
(My gripe is with companies that try to dress up bad news as being something entirely for the benefits of the consumers. I'm looking at a letter today from the Chief Executive of a company (nothing to do with photography) with which I deal, telling me of their wonderful new "stratigic partnership" and the amazing benefits which we, as customers, will enjoy in the future. Basically, it comes down to "we're all retiring and we've sold out to the best offer". I'd respect them more if they just said that...and spelled my name correctly! Rant over.
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last week we were investigating ilford range of products and prices.
We fell out of our chair when we saw the prices. Compaired to adox, i can not imagine that the ilford product is 200% better than adox.
If you know how much silver there actually is in a box of paper, it's strange that the prices go up that much.
1000! Bloody hell.
Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson
I'm only just starting with printing and film. I've been shooting film since November, the price rise is a bit a of a pain. Especially since I just paid £7 for one roll of delta 3200.
Time to offshore labor to a cheaper country like the USA?
The strange thing is that in the U.K. at two very competitive retailers Adox paper is more expensive than Ilford and over the recent period Adox paper has actually grown proportionally more expensive. In the kind of quantities that Adox and Ilford export to the rest of Europe in Ilford's case and into the U.K. in Adox's case I cannot believe that transport costs make that much difference.
Originally Posted by Willie Jan
So does both Ilford and Adox believe that "foreign" customers will pay more for a product than will domestic buyers? Is it the retailers/distributors who have a role in the matter rather than Ilford or Adox? I have no idea.
There has to be a reason for this kind of "price reversal" but what this reason is, will I am sorry to say, remain unanswered. We can speculate here on APUG to our heart's content but speculation is what it will remain.
I can only conclude that those who could answer questions such as this, do not believe it is in their interest to do so.
just did a quick price check of Ilford stuff here (converted to US$ would be slightly dearer at the moment... I can't be stuffed looking it up)
FP4 24exp $8.80
HP5 24exp $8.80
D3200 36exp $14.85
Papers (8x10 100shts)
MG RC $133
MG FB $177
MG FB WT $230
There are cheaper alternatives (eg. foma paper)