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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Jenkin View Post
    I recently picked up 20 rolls of current Agfa APX100 at £1 per roll (Silverprint were selling it like hot cakes at Photographica in London last Month).
    Remember that stuff was made a few years ago, stored as huge rolls before being packaged, and is now being sold without the recent silver price rises coming in to play, and for a deliberately end-of-life price. The longest use-by date I have is not much more than a year.

    That being said, it is/was really nice stuff and I have a bit more than 150 35mm rolls stored, but used up the 120 some time ago :-/

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    Havent really had time to read through the entire thread, but all I can say is I know that the last thing Harman have wanted to do is increase prices, but they really have little option. They have to keep the company profitable - in the end this is a company operated and owned by 6 enthusiast directors - and they don't all turn up at the office in Ferraries or Bentleys!

    At the same time they have forged the alliance with Hahnemuhle and released a new FB paper - this really opens up the future of FB as Hahnemuhle, I understand, are a smaller and more adaptable mill to Felix Schoeller (who currently make ALL regular baryta FB base used by Ilford, Foma, Efke etc. and demand large minimum orders).

    The other things I would say are - We haven't seen sales fall off following the increases. And whilst paper is a lot more costly than it was, it's still dwafed by the cost of high end inkjet.

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    @Matt5791 - That seems a vary fair assessment of the situation as regards Ilford/Harman. I think that they are always as open as they can be with us, given due allowance for commercial sensitivities.

    (My gripe is with companies that try to dress up bad news as being something entirely for the benefits of the consumers. I'm looking at a letter today from the Chief Executive of a company (nothing to do with photography) with which I deal, telling me of their wonderful new "stratigic partnership" and the amazing benefits which we, as customers, will enjoy in the future. Basically, it comes down to "we're all retiring and we've sold out to the best offer". I'd respect them more if they just said that...and spelled my name correctly! Rant over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt5791 View Post
    they don't all turn up at the office in Ferraries or Bentleys!
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    So some do ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Livsey View Post
    So some do ?
    Hey, that was just me , picking up a batch of the new Ilford Multigrade Art 300... Got to keep the 500 horsepowers in condition by an occasional full throttle ride
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    last week we were investigating ilford range of products and prices.
    We fell out of our chair when we saw the prices. Compaired to adox, i can not imagine that the ilford product is 200% better than adox.

    If you know how much silver there actually is in a box of paper, it's strange that the prices go up that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    Irreplaceable in the 'silver' gelatin process, it's unavoidable. Harman can't keep eating the increased cost of raw material. The economics of it is unfortunate, but all of us will have to learn how to deal with it.
    I am currently re-printing a ton of old negatives, and some of them on Ilford Warmtone paper. It's hard to justify the expense for me. Very very hard. Every time I order more 11x14 fiber paper, and pay 3 dollars per sheet, I look in the mirror and think I must be insane. And I only order one box at a time. It's all that I can afford. A box lasts me a couple of months, so I'm spending a thousand dollars a year on Ilford paper. This is petty cash compared to many other silver printers. I doubt someone like Bob Carnie spends less than that in one day of printing silver gelatin.

    I'm not asking Mr Galley of Harman to defend their pricing; I understand why it is as it is. All I'm saying is that I don't know how long I can keep it up. There will be a time, shortly, where I can't afford this passion anymore, and that saddens me to no end. I'm sure there are others in my situation.

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    1000! Bloody hell.

    I'm only just starting with printing and film. I've been shooting film since November, the price rise is a bit a of a pain. Especially since I just paid £7 for one roll of delta 3200.

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    Time to offshore labor to a cheaper country like the USA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Jan View Post
    last week we were investigating ilford range of products and prices.
    We fell out of our chair when we saw the prices. Compaired to adox, i can not imagine that the ilford product is 200% better than adox.

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    The strange thing is that in the U.K. at two very competitive retailers Adox paper is more expensive than Ilford and over the recent period Adox paper has actually grown proportionally more expensive. In the kind of quantities that Adox and Ilford export to the rest of Europe in Ilford's case and into the U.K. in Adox's case I cannot believe that transport costs make that much difference.

    So does both Ilford and Adox believe that "foreign" customers will pay more for a product than will domestic buyers? Is it the retailers/distributors who have a role in the matter rather than Ilford or Adox? I have no idea.

    There has to be a reason for this kind of "price reversal" but what this reason is, will I am sorry to say, remain unanswered. We can speculate here on APUG to our heart's content but speculation is what it will remain.

    I can only conclude that those who could answer questions such as this, do not believe it is in their interest to do so.

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    just did a quick price check of Ilford stuff here (converted to US$ would be slightly dearer at the moment... I can't be stuffed looking it up)

    35mm
    FP4 24exp $8.80
    HP5 24exp $8.80
    D3200 36exp $14.85

    120
    FP4 $9.90
    HP5 $9.90
    D3200 $12.10

    Papers (8x10 100shts)
    MG RC $133
    MG FB $177
    MG FB WT $230

    There are cheaper alternatives (eg. foma paper)



 

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