How i wish for 02 prices!
I'm sorry to hear about the loss of jobs, which is not good news for anyone. With any luck the price of silver will come down over time and stabilize. Fingers crossed.
Originally Posted by Simon R Galley
Thanks Jawarden. Appreciated.
Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology LImited :
Dear J Rollinger......its quite some graph is it not?
When HARMAN technology was formed 6 years ago I can distinctly remember we were paying $ 7.25 per ounce for silver.
We are now paying over 5 times that amount, as are all photo manufacturers of course.
Simon. ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
Bottom line: what percent increase?
Everytime I find a film or paper that I like, they discontinue it. - Paul Strand - Aperture monograph on Strand
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The loss in jobs due to the silver speculation is very sad to hear, especially in the light of some people outside of the analog photography industry obviously making huge profits trading the raw silver. It is a real shame the industry has to take such a hit in already precarious times. I hope though, that Ilford will also be able to breach the profit devouring vortex inbetween the Netherlands and some other countries, and the UK. If I spend my money on Ilford products, I want it to end up with Ilford, and not in some all consuming black hole...
Originally Posted by Simon R Galley
"The nineteenth century began by believing that what was reasonable was true, and it wound up by believing that what it saw a photograph of, was true.
" - William M. Ivins Jr.
"I don't know, maybe we should disinvent color, and we could just shoot Black & White.
" - David Burnett in 1978
"Analog is chemistry + physics, digital is physics + math, which ones did you like most?
FWIW, the highest price ever for silver seems to have been $49.45 on 18th Jan 1980, in the speculation at that time. So we're within range of that period.
Originally Posted by J Rollinger
Very sorry to hear of the job losses...it's wrong that speculators (who've probably hardly ever heard of photographic film, and care even less) can cause this sort of problem for ordinary folk's lives. I had the pleasure of going on one of the Ilford factory tours a few years ago, and you couldn't have found anywhere a nicer and more dedicated bunch of people as their staff.
Ilford's loyal to us, we need to be loyal to Ilford.
"Never criticize someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. That way, you're a mile away and you've got their shoes."
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I too cringe at the news of job losses at Ilford. It puts the silver problems into a really serious perspective to me, and I will commit to trying to find ways to continue using the product.
I think, like Colin, that loyalty is in order to reciprocate for the loyalty given to us.
I fear, though, that since the Western world has bred massive consumer markets in other parts of the world, the pressure on natural resources will just continue to increase. There are a billion folks in China, and a billion folks in India, and they want much of the same things we do in terms of material wealth, as destructive as it may be. Think about this every time you buy an iPad or a Kindle. The want for these things is what is affecting scarcity of what natural resources mother Nature is able to provide. Film and photographic paper are no exception.
"Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank
"Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman
"...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh
If a loss of 58 people is 20% of the workforce then we are looking at about 290. I may be wrong but when on the first Harman tour in June 2006 I thought I had recalled a mention of a workforce figure of somewhere near 600. If I am right then this is a massive drop and very serious.
Maybe Harman can have no influence in the distributors' slice of the revenue pie but having seen some comments from our rest of Europe and rest of world neighbours on retail prices excluding the U.S. I cannot help but wonder if the distributors' slice isn't part of the problem.
At the end of the day distributor greed, if that's the problem, can and will rebound on Harman's revenue and future