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    the more companies go out of business the better for the remainder of the market. On top of that, as far as colour is concerned its still backed by the massive Hollywood business, at least for a few more years.

    Film isint going anywhere, colour will most likely eventually die out unless Hollywood makes the commitment to stay with film long term which is eventually doubtful , black and white will have no issues. If Efke and Foma can survive with current demand, imagine when a giant like Kodak, Fuji, or even Ilford (please no) was to close the doors, they would be flooded with business. Foma alone could keep the market alive, they make film, paper, and chemistry.

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    If Efke and Foma can survive with current demand, imagine when a giant like Kodak, Fuji, or even Ilford (please no) was to close the doors, they would be flooded with business. Foma alone could keep the market alive, they make film, paper, and chemistry.

    Doubtful. If true, they'd inherit a market smaller and less stable than today's(that's why Kodak would have bailed in your future scenario, right?). Market share is pretty much meaningless if demand is trending steadily down as it appears to be now. We're all hoping it at least stabilizes, holds, and even grows slightly in the next few years. Who knows?

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    EGADS!!! Chicken Little was right! One foot in the past and one foot in the future means your pissing all over the present. Shoot film now, buy enough for a month or two when the price is right, and hope to hell you have enough tomorrows left to really have something to worry about! Better yet, spread the word, loan out cameras and film, put on a workshop or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGW View Post
    If Efke and Foma can survive with current demand, imagine when a giant like Kodak, Fuji, or even Ilford (please no) was to close the doors, they would be flooded with business. Foma alone could keep the market alive, they make film, paper, and chemistry.

    Doubtful. If true, they'd inherit a market smaller and less stable than today's(that's why Kodak would have bailed in your future scenario, right?). Market share is pretty much meaningless if demand is trending steadily down as it appears to be now. We're all hoping it at least stabilizes, holds, and even grows slightly in the next few years. Who knows?
    Hmmmm....I think I have to agree with that. If we were down to just one-or-two small makers, there are the major issues of reasonably efficient distribution (not necessarily orders delivered in a day, but not having to wait a year for the next coating of a particular product!) and also reasonably affordable prices. Many of us are willing to pay premium prices to get and maintain our analog supplies, but each increase can only tend to force out a few users every time.

    There is also the question of where digital might go from here...who knows what developments and improvements might come to make it more acceptable and attractive, if not to we diehards, maybe to the younger users. If doubtful, we only have to look back about 15 to 20 years....anyone remember the Sony Mavica, with a built-in floppy disc drive to record a few low resolution B&W digital shots? Not that long ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPippin View Post
    EGADS!!! Chicken Little was right!
    I have often wondered why the story is called Chicken Little in the US whereas it was originally known as Chicken Licken. The other characters in the story are Turkey Lurkey, Henny Penny, Cocky Locky, Goosey Loosey, Foxy loxy, Ducky Lucky and Drakey Lakey. So to change Chicken Licken to Chicken Little doesn't make much sense as it doesn't fit with the rest of the characters' names.

    Anyway.... back to whatever it was we were talking about.... Oh yes, film... Buy lots of it!



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    I am not overly thrilled by the looks of this. Maybe extreme consolidation is for the better since it will make them the most profit and would help keep film coming out of Kodak. If this article is accurate, and Kodak is doing better than Fuji is with film, let's continue to show Kodak what film shooters are made of!
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    Whilst there are reports of American cinemas converting to digital, I get the impression that the majority of US cinemas are owned by large corporations who can afford the capital expenditure on the digital equipment.

    In the UK and probably much of Europe, cinemas are either privately owned or owned by smaller companies who could not and do not want to spend the hundreds of thousands of pounds or euros necessary to convert when the projectors they already own will do the job, especially when it could be obsolete in a few years when a higher quality system is available.

    If movie film is keeping film companies in business then it is the multiple copies for distribution which is the major user of film rather than originating the footage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith
    Whilst there are reports of American cinemas converting to digital, I get the impression that the majority of US cinemas are owned by large corporations who can afford the capital expenditure on the digital equipment.

    In the UK and probably much of Europe, cinemas are either privately owned or owned by smaller companies who could not and do not want to spend the hundreds of thousands of pounds or euros necessary to convert when the projectors they already own will do the job, especially when it could be obsolete in a few years when a higher quality system is available.

    If movie film is keeping film companies in business then it is the multiple copies for distribution which is the major user of film rather than originating the footage.


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    This is correct.

    While I am not all too familiar with the industry, I fear that loss of the distribution market will undermine the substrate manufacturing. So even could one run very small coating sessions, you still must be able to purchase substrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RPippin View Post
    In my short (64) years on this planet I've been able to observe two things that seem to happen with regularity. Both politics and trends follow a predictable pattern, that is to say the pendulum that swings in one direction will always come to a point and swing back the other way. Digital is still a new technology to those of us who were around when there were no cell phones, Ipads or personal computers. It also seems to me when I check online that there is still a great deal of film and choices for film around, probably more so than when I first started shooting film. One of the problems with the internet, as I see it, is that we get way to much information and every piece we get we have to react to. Rubbish, I say. At least at my age I can expect to shoot film till I can't anymore, but for the younger guys out there, just keep your eyes and ears open and see. Probably if you keep buying the stuff, someone will keep making it. Don't even get me started on politics. I look at every dollar I spend as a political statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Whilst there are reports of American cinemas converting to digital, I get the impression that the majority of US cinemas are owned by large corporations who can afford the capital expenditure on the digital equipment.

    In the UK and probably much of Europe, cinemas are either privately owned or owned by smaller companies who could not and do not want to spend the hundreds of thousands of pounds or euros necessary to convert when the projectors they already own will do the job, especially when it could be obsolete in a few years when a higher quality system is available.

    If movie film is keeping film companies in business then it is the multiple copies for distribution which is the major user of film rather than originating the footage.


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    Box office revenues are declining as a percentage of total sales as post-release digital distribution trumps.

    Soon the Euro cinemas will have to switch or become irrelevant as they become both a weak link and bypassed cost centre.

    One thing that is not happening that perhaps should is the one-roof concept that sustained and grew the industry in it's early decades: film, camera, optics (to some extent), and development/printing all vested within a corporate supplier or two. Vertical integration and consolidation might even be a Boardroom discussion at Kodak for all we know. There's an abundance if sunk cost IP out there to build a model, and history to boot.

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