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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power
    I dunno, but I was under the impression (mistaken?) that a good number of these wet-film machines were making their way to hospitals and clinics that never had x-ray facilities previously and cannot afford to go digital. I.e. that they were going to less-fortunate nations.

    Is this possible?
    The problem with this is that these places only buy the very cheapest film. It's a market where the profit margin on the film is mesaured in pennies. The profit margin for say dry x-ray film is huge. Which business would you rather be in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by argentic
    I don't know anything about Ilford sales. But at each hospital visit in the past two years I was amazed at how much analog stuff has been replaced by digital equivalents. E.g. here in Holland no Xray is made on traditional film anymore.

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    The day job has me working on the construction of a large new hospital in the West Midlands. Quite by coincidence, I was today taking-off materials required for the extensive darkrooms and processing laboratories, complete with Beehive safe lights. I could be wrong, but don’t think they need those for digital processing.
    Regards Dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Miller
    The day job has me working on the construction of a large new hospital in the West Midlands. Quite by coincidence, I was today taking-off materials required for the extensive darkrooms and processing laboratories, complete with Beehive safe lights. I could be wrong, but don?t think they need those for digital processing.
    You could be right about the digital processing. Was this equipment for XRays? Or for other processes? Or is technology in Europe in advance on the States ?

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    "Management"

    [QUOTE=TPPhotog]Yep that sums up the decline of virtually every company here in the UK, when will management learn

    When will companies replace "management" with leadership?..EC

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    Quote Originally Posted by eclarke
    When will companies replace "management" with leadership?..EC

    LOL

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    [QUOTE=eclarke]
    Quote Originally Posted by TPPhotog
    Yep that sums up the decline of virtually every company here in the UK, when will management learn

    When will companies replace "management" with leadership?..EC
    Good point. But first they would have to find leaders which would mean finding people with character. UK companies have also been very pro-active of getting rid of people with character in favour of followers that won't upset the poor management discissions.

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    Yeah, you are right, but it aint just business, look at the state of our UK politics (I've already done religion today....and Leicas (same thing)). Is democracy dead in a country of career MP sheep, herded by party whips!

    I just pray that Ilford can hold it together for the long haul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stanworth
    Is democracy dead in a country of career MP sheep, herded by party whips!
    The problem with modern democracy is that it is based on competition, not opinion. Elections are won and lost, polls keep counts as soccer fans keep track of the world cup. So what, you might ask (I would)?

    The problem with competition is that it leads to monopoly. Karl Marx said this in relation to business, and I agree with him, and apply this generally. Parties and candidates compete to gain power, and once there struggle to estabilish themselves. Once estabilished, competition has filled its purpose and is abolished. Representative democracy based on competition quickly loses its democratic ideals and becomes an aristocracy.

    Take the current U.S. elections, for example: How many people here are aware that presidential candidates David Cobb (Green Party) and Michael Badnarik (Libertarian) were arrested on October 9 for attempting to participate in the presidential debate? Not many, I would say, for the 2 parties that have already estabilished themselves in power have kept this very undisclosed.

    I say this with a profound ignorance of U.K politics, so take it as a general comment and with a grain of salt.

    Also, sorry if I have taken this thread further off topic.

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    Tom I think democracy died many years ago. Remember when we would see a politicians face in the newspaper or on TV and would know who they were and what they stood for. Now a characterless face appears and no-one has the faintest idea of who they are or what party they represent.

    I can't comment on Leica's as I just look in envy at the guy who's usually wearing it as a madalian to prove he can afford it

    Andre I don't think Les will feel this is going too off topic (well I hope not and all threads do in the end).

    You've got some valid points there and I do find it interesting that Karl Marx seems to have nailed many things that have happend in recent years in the Western world. Interesting considering the societies most of his work was based on.

    In the UK we no longer have any distinct lines between parties and I'd go so far as to say that socialism doesn't even exist here except in tiny parties that have no chance of getting a seat anywhere. Sadly looking at the UK and Europe there is a worrying trend towards nationalism and even facism.

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    [QUOTE=eclarke]
    Quote Originally Posted by TPPhotog
    Yep that sums up the decline of virtually every company here in the UK, when will management learn

    When will companies replace "management" with leadership?..EC
    When will accountants and their bottom line of profits at all cost, be replaced with management that gives a dam n.

    15 years ago i got upset when at the HMO we had an 18 year old receptionist was able to order the medical tests, done by another nurses aide of 18 years, who then diagonosed my sons strep throat. The nurses aide took out an alrready signed perscription slip to take to their in house pharmacy. NO DR< at all. Knowing my son's history, I demanded to see a DR. I was told no, it was not cost effect. After I told off the two 18 year olds, and threatend to turn them into every single medical exam board, and law enforment agency for practicing wihtout a license, I did get to see a DR.

    Bit businesses are the same way. Having employees are not cost effective. It is better to outsource and get rid of those in house employees. My hubbies first week at his new job is this week. He was fortunate enough to be picked up permenantely by the new company (IBM). He was put in charge on the IBM side of overseeing the data center move. He has also been told of his long term assignments, and some training he will be doing. Down side to his old company is Dan knows how the whole system runs. He has been in on the meetings where they are going to try and sabotague the whole process. well they do, and it isn't a hardware problem, and it will cost them even more to have IBM fix minor problems. Dan is loving it, each time they (Williams Sonoma) does something stupid to halt the progess, he just smiles and says CA Ching. His old boss asked why he isn't loyal to Williams sonoma just yesterday. Dan replied, "Why, they in the last 2 years have cut out all benefits, taken away my bonus, taken away any more stock options, I say no raises, and effectively lost over @425K a year, then I get laid off because I made too much money, and you want me to be loyal to those who threw me out?" The manager today got news that he is in the next round of lay offs, and his group is not being picked up by any new company. Can we say pay back is a B***h. Long term it is going to cost Williams Sonoma with all the changes they want just from this week, double what they had anticpated, and more than if they had not out sourced.
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