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    Kodak, AFAIK, is no linger training Emulsion Engineers. Remember too that R&D is different than R and D. Also, production is different than either. IDK about FOMA.

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    Photo Engineer: to me, that's the saddest thing I've heard regarding Kodak lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Remember too that R&D is different than R and D.
    Is this a pun?? I don't understand that.

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    Generally:

    Research is pure research not directed to any product.

    Development is work on an existing product to tweak it or to solve problems in the field from customers.

    R&D is directed to a new product and includes all phases up to introduction. It takes elements from pure research and includes them in the new product.

    For example, if one is training a new coating engineer (which Kodak is doing BTW) it is not R&D nor is it R and D. It is pure Manufacturing Technology, another subject that has not been discussed except in Simon's post. So, Kodak can stop R, D and R&D, but still be training Manufacturing Technologists and Engineers so that they keep on coating film. They may be training Development Engineers to keep making emulsions and etc..... This is a simple answer to a very complex situation.

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    PE Is spot on, as always:

    We have R&D, we have product technology and then we have manufacturing technology each has is its own chemists and specialists and MT has the chemical and process engineers..

    Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited

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    Simon,

    I'm pleased you and the other directors are making sure black & white film and paper will be viable in the future.

    many thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    For example, if one is training a new coating engineer (which Kodak is doing BTW) it is not R&D nor is it R and D. It is pure Manufacturing Technology, another subject that has not been discussed except in Simon's post. So, Kodak can stop R, D and R&D, but still be training Manufacturing Technologists and Engineers so that they keep on coating film.
    Are they (or were they) encouraged to suggest ideas for improvements in the process or suggest new processes?


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    Yup that is what they do, constantly.

    The main coating machine and its control systems are a hugely complicated beast, so as well as regular maintenance, preventive maintenance and upgrades they work on improving all aspects of the machine performance, they also work on the trial coating mashines(s) that mimic the large machine.

    Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

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    Steve;

    Heaven forbid that they should do something new. That costs money!

    JK. I really don't know, but they did come up with Ektar 100 and the new cubic + t-grain design.

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    What Simon just posted is pretty much what they do at EK. After all, just as in biology, the processes are similar world wide for film and paper manufacturing.

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