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The Kodak times for Plus-X and Tri-X in HC-110 dilution B are very, very wrong. They are times that should work well for dilution A, not B. Try 6 to 7 minutes in HC-110 dilution B instead of the published times. I don't know if this is due to a misprint, due to a mistake in testing, or due to something else, but Kodak has not fixed it for years, which I find ridiculous.
2F/2F
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- Rob Tyner (1944 - 1991)
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 Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson
What does that mean?
It only means that I purchased 200 rolls from them this year, which is 200 more then last year.
If it wasn't for their special offer (buy one, get one free), I'm not sure they'd have my business at all in 2011.
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Originally Posted by NB23
Why do people say that ilford are doing ok? Just parroting around?
Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson
Over at filmwasters.com Leon Taylor interviewed Steven Brierly of Harmann/Ilford, and in the interview Mr Brierly states they have had an increase in sales this year, contrary to the market trend. I remember a figure of 8%.
Originally Posted by NB23
Dumping free film on the market helps to boost sales for sure 
Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson
What does that mean?
Originally Posted by NB23
It only means that I purchased 200 rolls from them this year, which is 200 more then last year.
If it wasn't for their special offer (buy one, get one free), I'm not sure they'd have my business at all in 2011.
So... Ilford wasn't dumping free film on the market. You purchased 200 rolls of it at half-price during one of Ilford's occassional promotions. Which then helped contribute to that 8% sales increase mentioned by Mr. Steven Brierly of Harman/Ilford. Which then is a valid indicator that Ilford might indeed be doing OK...
Do I have that right?
And the relevant point you are trying to make would be...?
Ken
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— Tom Peters and Robert H. Waterman Jr., In Search of Excellence, 1982
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Mr. Brierly also stated that sales of Ilford's 120 B&W film have shown a healthy increase this year, which he attributed to the Holga crowd.
And, if I remember what Simon Galley mentioned earlier his year, Iflord/Harmon is profitable.
Jim B.
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Originally Posted by Mackinaw
Mr. Brierly also stated that sales of Ilford's 120 B&W film have shown a healthy increase this year, which he attributed to the Holga crowd.
And, if I remember what Simon Galley mentioned earlier his year, Iflord/Harmon is profitable.
Jim B.
Yep...and if they weren't, I doubt they'd be putting out a pinhole camera kit which so far has shown great demand. I know I'll be buying one.
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I'm glad you mentioned Medalist. I used the stuff for years, and loved the results when using Edwal Platinum developer with the F surface paper dried matte. Fantastic midtones that were pearly gray. I've not seen any Medalist around for at least 20-25 years.
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If you have participated in the last few rounds of the Postcard Exchange and drew my name, you will have received a postcard printed on Kodak Polycontrast paper. The negatives were shot on Plus-X and developed in HC-110 (although I used dilution E).
The HC110 and Plus-X data sheets are in error, I agree.
And I am still sad.
Matt
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It always sucks to lose a film, but there are replacements for Plus-X available, such as FP4 or TMX or Acros. Its nothing like losing polaroid or anything.
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Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick
So... Ilford wasn't dumping free film on the market. You purchased 200 rolls of it at half-price during one of Ilford's occassional promotions. Which then helped contribute to that 8% sales increase mentioned by Mr. Steven Brierly of Harman/Ilford. Which then is a valid indicator that Ilford might indeed be doing OK...
Do I have that right?
And the relevant point you are trying to make would be...?
Ken
Absolutely not.
This really only shows that they produced too much for the market to bear. In other words, they probably over-estimated the demand for their product which would quickly turn their profits into catastrophe if the wouldn't have dumped a big portion of their production.
But enough of this nonsense exchange with folks who absolutely want to be right about Ilford. As far as economy is concerned, dumping is never positive.
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It’s called a sale or a promotion. Companies do it all the time to get you using their products. People here complain that Kodak did not promote Plus-x enough.
If all Ilford wanted to do was to get rid of excess stock they would have sold it to someone for silver recovery and not given it away for free.
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