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    Interesting. Isn't the Arsat a fisheye?

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    Well, I always thought a fisheye was 180 degrees in all directions and forming a round image ? The Arsat allegedly covers 180 degrees across the diagonal but it certainly fills the frame completely. The distortion curves lines, especially near the edges of the frame, which can be either annoying or interesting depending . . .

    Another place where the lens excels (in terms of price/performance) is night-sky pictures. I made some very long time exposures (thirty minutes maximum) during the Perseids meteor shower with ground, sky and a "stationary" Pole Star. (Edit: but that was without intending to crop a panorama from the neg of course).
    Last edited by MartinP; 06-22-2014 at 04:22 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    One thing to consider is definition. The XPan's lenses are designed to be sharp right out to the far ends of the frame. Cropping MF might not be as satisfactory.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    Cropping is not the same field of view. The ratio will be the same, but the coverage is different.
    You've lost me completely. Please explain further.

    To help focus your thoughts, look at this shot http://1drv.ms/1pvlksm taken with a 38/4.5 Biogon, a Century Graphic, and a 2x3 roll holder. Many are the cropping opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    You've lost me completely. Please explain further.

    To help focus your thoughts, look at this shot http://1drv.ms/1pvlksm taken with a 38/4.5 Biogon, a Century Graphic, and a 2x3 roll holder. Many are the cropping opportunities.
    I'm asked to enter a password when I follow your link.
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    There is no substitute for the Xpan, the greatest camera ever created.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NB23 View Post
    There is no substitute for the Xpan, the greatest camera ever created.
    Except the Mamiya 7ii with 35mm pano adapter

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    Except the Mamiya 7ii with 35mm pano adapter
    No way. Not in a 100 years. Who wants to fiddle with 120 when there's the much more convenient 135?
    The xpan fits inthe hand like a Leica. The Mamiya 7??

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheToadMen View Post
    I'm asked to enter a password when I follow your link.
    Thanks for the bad news. It should now work, please try again. The link is still http://1drv.ms/1pvlksm

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    Quote Originally Posted by NB23 View Post
    There is no substitute for the Xpan, the greatest camera ever created.
    Stuff and nonsense. All that can be done with an Xpan can be done at lower cost with a humble Century Graphic. And more can be done with a Century than with an Xpan. The Century offers a much wider range of focal lengths and greater cropping opportunities.

    This isn't to denigrate the Xpan or the Alpa 12. Both are extremely well made and robust, are lovely artifacts. Users love both and its easy to understand why. But a Century Graphic is more capable and much less expensive.

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