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    Quote Originally Posted by sensanjay View Post
    I ruled out the Wisner because of two reasons - the issues with the holders and the man's reputation, which seems to have taken a beating lately (from threads that I've seen in this forum).
    Ron can/could make a good camera. It's unfortunate what has happened to his reputation and his company. Just shows how important customer service is, even in a niche market like 4x10 cameras. The reason I asked is I know where there is a used 4x10 Wisner Technical for sale at the same price as a new Shen-Hao. If you're interested, Pm me and I'll send you a link. I haven't seen this particular 4x10 Wisner in person, but it's the same design as the 4x10 Wisner I used to own back in the mid-1990s. I never had a problem with the camera, but had endless lightleaks ith the Mido II holders - and they were the only option in 4x10 holders for the Wisner back then.

    Ironically, I now have accumulated several holders in the 4x10 Wisner/X-ray form factor (thanks mostly to eBay). They aren't for sale as I have plans for them. I'd love to make a 4x10 back for my Toho (picture a 3.5 lb. 4x10) for backpacking. They are also a little smaller and lighter than the 4x10 holders from Canham and others. I may also get a back made that will let me use these holders on my 4x10 Swiss Lotus. The back on my camera is removeable. So, a second back would double the number of usable 4x10 holders I own.

    Anyway, both S&S and AWB will make 4x10 holders to fit the Wisner. Or, you can have the back modified to take the Canham holders. So, while customer service may be a concern, holders shouldn't stop you from considering a 4x10 Wisner.

    Quote Originally Posted by sensanjay View Post
    I ruled out the Lotus because of cost. At current dollar values, EUR 3500 (as of 04/2006, excluding VAT) is more than I can afford.
    Lotus is an unfortunate victim of exchange rates. Back when the euro was worth $0.85 their products were priced competively. These days, customers in the US pay a premium due to the week dollar. It's too bad as the Lotus cameras I've used/reviewed were very nice and I wouldn't trade my 4x10 Lotus holders for anything. They are simply exquisite. You might want to watch the German eBay site for used Lotus cameras. An extremely nice 5x7 Lotus outfit, complete with lens (180mm APO Symmar), film, film holders, case and tripod (Berlebach) closed on the German eBay yesterday for EUR 1509. It was a tremendous deal and it was all I could do to keep myself from bidding on it. If you get a good deal on a used Lotus, you could then purchase a 4x10 conversion kit for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by sensanjay View Post
    Lastly, I ruled out the Alt View because of it's non-folding design and limited movements although it does have the advantage of being able to shoot vertically. I have a Cambo 4x5 monorail that I haven't been able to take out to the field a few yards beyond the car. So, if I am getting another LF camera I would like to be able to hike with it.
    Ironically, I've seriously considerd getting an Altview 410 WA for backpacking. It doesn't fold, but it's the lightest of the available 4x10 cameras, and with careful packing (putting the rest of your gear around it in a custom case), it would still fit in a pack. It's certainly a unique and beautiful camera. The movements are limited, but I think I could probably get by.

    Quote Originally Posted by sensanjay View Post
    I will be looking forward to your review of the Shen-Hao 4x10, as well as the 8x10 to 4x10 film slicer. That would be really interesting.
    It will likely be a few months before any review is published, but once I get the 4x10 Shen-Hao and the Fotoman film slicer, I'll drop you a short PM with my initial impressions.

    Kerry

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    Thanks again Kerry for all the information. I appreciate your info about the Wisner that's up for sale but I think I need to debate all the options some more. If I make up my mind soon enough, I will drop you a PM.

    Another option that has been introduced into the mix is getting a Canham 8x10 with a 4x10 back - an idea that I got from Colin and from Scott Squires's website (here). Although this is a departure from my original plan of a dedicated 4x10 camera, it has the advantages of being able to serve the purpose of an 8x10 (of course) and the ability to shoot 4x10 verticals.

    As an aside, I just subscribed to View Camera magazine, so I'll be looking forward to your articles and reviews, especially anything to do with 4x10.


    Best wishes,
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    I use both the Alt-view and the Canham 4x10. Both have distinct advantages.
    The Canham is based on a [B]5x7[B][B] camera and not an 8x10; thus I have a 4x5, 5x7 and 4x10 all in one case; very handy.

    The Alt-view, besides being exquisitely beautiful, is very light AND sets up in an instant, rather important in the fast changing light of the Southwestern US and coastal Scotland. Because of its weight (or non-weight), this is my grab-and-go camera, with 210 and 300 lenses, carbon fiber tripod, and a couple of holders in my vest...no backpack needed, camera stays on the tripod with a plastic cover on it. Easy to walk to the top of the nearest Tor wth it.

    Both builders have impeccable reputations for customer service. If you need help, they are there for you.

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    Have you ever thought of having a 6x10 camera made? I have a Wista metal Rittreck 5x7 w/6x10 back that is very, very precise. Wisner also makes one. It seems the perfect format to me, smaller than 8x10. Corresponds very closly to the golden mean and a nice compliment to 12x20 ULF. You can of course easily crop to 4x10 if you want. 4x10 contacts are very beautiful but you better make sure you really love the long and skinny 4x10 format to invest that kind of cash. I do 4x10/5x8 /8x10 on a Deardorff with homemade mattboard splitters and consider this a wonderful 3 in 1 format camera. Sometimes 5x8 is called for, sometimes 4x10, sometimes 8x10, but at least I have a multitude of choices with the Deardorff.
    Hey Kerry...that 4x10 is one hell of a machine! What I wouldn't give to have Micrometric Orbix on all my cameras! Emile/www.deleon-ulf.com.

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    I can't find a color photo of the altview. With all the talk about beauty I would like to see one. Is there a photo on the web somewhere?

    Having had this discussion with myself I took the advice to get the 8x10 and use a splitter. While this fit my budget better than a 4x10 dedicated camera, I have a feeling I will be putting a dedicated 4x10 on the wish list.
    Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI

    So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004

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    The Alt 4x10 is one of the most beautiful cameras you will ever encounter. Lacewood w/ dark Wenge trim and many, many layers of finish applied. Stunning! No I don't have a picture of it but Patrick Alt does. Emile.

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    That is a pretty camera. For those folks who own one, does the two parts on the front swing that stick out get in the way?
    Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI

    So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004

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    Just for grins, I weighed the Altview with the 210 Computar = 5 pounds, 10 ounces. When hiking with it, I use a GG protector which probably adds about six more ounces. No, Mark, none of the parts get in the way- the brass "pull" is very nicely rounded which prevents it from being a hazard.
    Russ
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