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    Rotational cameras

    Has anyone tried the Horsley rotational cameras, or have a sense of how they compare to the Noblex?

    http://www.retrophotographic.com/rotational.htm
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    The Noblex, Horizont/Horizon, and Widelux (I have the latter two) are swing lens cameras in which the film remains stationary on a curved plane, while the lens rotates across a limited field (usually 120-145 degrees, depending on the model. The Horseley appears to move both film and lens to allow a 360 field, like the Roundshot and the old Cirkut cameras.

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    I use the Noblex for 50% of the work I do, an amazing camera.
    I have problems with low light and long exposures with this camera due to the length of time the rotation takes to do a long exposure but otherwise I love it.
    would be interested to see how this thread goes.

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    The Noblex looks truly amazing. I wish I could find one inexpensively.

    I think it's unique cameras like this that (in part) keep film alive. There's just no digital answer for a swing lens camera -- it's not that it can't be made, it's just that no one will ever make it.
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    I use the Noblex for 50% of the work I do, an amazing camera.
    I have problems with low light and long exposures with this camera due to the length of time the rotation takes to do a long exposure but otherwise I love it.
    would be interested to see how this thread goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPablo View Post
    The Noblex looks truly amazing. I wish I could find one inexpensively.
    The Horizon 202 is still relatively cheap, and can give good results.

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    I'd much prefer one that takes 120 film.

    It's no rush for me -- I can save my pennies for a while.

    That rotational camera I've linked is actually considerably less expensive than a Noblex, but I think it has a fixed 1/60 shutter speed.
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    There is a 120 version of the Horizon, the 205PC. I don't know if it's still in production or if that outfit is selling old stock. It's also wicked expensive, at least by my standards -- I'd love to be able to pay $2190 for such a camera, but even a $200-$500 35mm Horizon is at the edge of what I can justify....

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    I use this camera primaraly 1/200 f16 , it is wickedly sharp on tripod and quite sharp hand held. By keeping the camera level you can get edge to edge straight horizon which is a beautiful thing.
    I am considering another one so that when shooting one is being loaded while the other is being used. You can burn through a lot of film this way.
    Fixed shutter would be problamatic I would think for any camera specifically hand held.
    save the pennies for the Noblex , I am sure you will be happy
    Quote Originally Posted by DrPablo View Post
    I'd much prefer one that takes 120 film.

    It's no rush for me -- I can save my pennies for a while.

    That rotational camera I've linked is actually considerably less expensive than a Noblex, but I think it has a fixed 1/60 shutter speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPablo View Post
    I think it's unique cameras like this that (in part) keep film alive. There's just no digital answer for a swing lens camera -- it's not that it can't be made, it's just that no one will ever make it.
    Well, there are handling differences, but the optical outcome of the swing lens and full rotational camera are the same. As full rotational digital cameras are on the market your argument seems week to me. I assume the reason for swing lens cameras to be on the market is first their lower price and second the chance to handle the film in common enlargers compared to full rotational film cameras.

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