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    Panoramic formats comparison on the web???

    Hello,

    for an upcoming project I want to shoot panoramic images...but I cant decide on the format...


    Is there any comparison of the various panoramic formats on the web...with different lenses...and please let it better be visual...as numbers, like angle of coverage dont really help me...

    Google didn't bring much up so far.....

    Thanks in advance,

    Heinrich

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    You need to decide whether you are going to use something like a 35mm Widepan or a 120 panoramic camera, or going to one of the more exotic sheet film formats like 4x10, 7x17.

    The manufacturers have plenty of information on their sites, look at Hasselblad, Fuji, Fotoman or Gaoersi for film cameras. The options are quite extensive and cameras like the Fotoman and Gaoersi can be found in 6x12, 6x17 & 6x24 and as lenses can be changed from WA's such as a 75mm Super Angulon to 300mm, and often the format (a 6x17 can be used as 6x15 & 6x12) the flexibility is vast.

    Ian

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    Thanks Ian,

    but I want to use a 120 panoramic one. I'm trying to decide between 6x12 or 6x17. I did have a look at the manufactures websites, but with Horseman for example, there only numbers no visual comparison of lenses etc.

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    You could try this website go down the page and there are extensive links to Panoramic websites.

    Ian

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    Heinrich, I bought a Gaoersi 6x17 and it's excellent, I can use it as 6x12 as well, but I always want the wider format image, I shoot exclusively with a 75mm Super Angulon, although I do have a 90mm Grandagon fittted to a Gaoersi focus mount too but I never use it.

    There's also a 6x17 group on Yahoo, and a few APUG members post there.

    Ian

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    Need a Horseman 617 lens unit

    Hey all,
    I need a lens unit for the Horseman SW617 that will fit a 90mm Rodenstock Grandagon f6.8. Everywhere I look I only have the option to buy the lens with the lens unit (focusing ring, et all). But I already have the lens and I just want the ring. Does anyone know where I can get this? I emailed Horseman sales department but I haven't heard from them. Any info would be great.

    One more question. I had a Gaoersi 6x17 and I always had problems with overlappping of the frames. Does the Fotoman 6x17 have the same problem? Again thanks for any info.

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    One more question. I had a Gaoersi 6x17 and I always had problems with overlappping of the frames. Does the Fotoman 6x17 have the same problem? Again thanks for any info.[/QUOTE]

    I have the Fotoman 617 and have not had any problem with frames overlapping. It really is a nice well built camera for the price. I already had the 110XL and Fotoman had the cone for it so it saved buying another lens.

    Scott

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    Thanks Scott. Thats good news. Have you heard anyone else complain about the Gaoersi? Since the first day I received it I've had nothing but trouble. I'm still interested in getting another 617 camera and maybe the fotoman is the answer to my troubles.

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    I used for about three years an excellent Horseman SW612 with a Rodenstock 65mm. I bought a 6x12 because I felt - after trying for a few months a rented Linhof Technorama 617 - that 6x12 was less extreme and more useful than a 6x17. During those years I never missed a 6x17.

    I sold the Horseman because I needed some money for another project and at the time my photography had shifted away from a 1:2 form factor.

    A few months ago I sold all my 4x5 equipment, found myself with an excellent Schneider SA 72mm XL left that I really did not want to part with. For an upcoming project I bought a Fotoman 617 to put the SA on and have been using it since with no problem whatsoever.

    All this to simply summarize my opinion:
    1. 6x12 or 6x17 is really a personal and a subject matter choice. I would venture and say that 6x24 is probably not my cup of tea now or ever.
    2. One should look at the whole chain, e.g., scanning a 6x12 is somewhat simpler than scanning a 6x17 and a bit more affordable.

    A last point - somewhat controversial, I understand - has to do with that fact that with panorama formats the risk of not "committing oneself" to a subject is always present. One shoots the nice elongated scene, maybe is a nice sunset, sunrise, younameit, but there actually is no "focus", no "commitment". The playing it safe a.k.a. "I just cover all there is to be covered and I will get a nice photo", I mean. I find that staying away from this pitfall gets trickier the more elongated the format is. And I am the very first one to fall into it more often than not, I confess. But, hey, maybe it's just me.

    On this last point I hope I was able to explain myself and hopefully did not ruffle too many feathers.

    Cheers!

    P.S. On my site you can see some examples of 6x17 negatives

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    I've been using my Gaoersi for about 11 months now, if frames overlap that's purely user error. You do need to do an initial test, determine where you place the frame no's for 6x17, usually 2, 5, 8 & 11, and on the right of the film widow, but there's always plenty of space between each frame.

    Lack of a darkroom has meant I shot about 25 films be finally printing but the images from the Gaoersi are superb and the build quality is excellent, I guess maybe they have improved.

    Ian

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