Cirkut negative storage question
I've recently gotten my #10 cirkut camera up and running, and have suddenly fallen hard for this thing and what it can do. I've got a few negatives that are rather long - about 6+ feet, and can easily anticipate the desire to produce even longer ones. Those of you out there using these cameras, what do you do about negative storage? Do you lie them flat in a specially built storage cabinet of similar length, spool/roll them up (I'm assuming not), or maybe hang them in a closet? Right now, I'm hanging mine in a spare closet, and could go as long as 10' using that system, but am looking for better ideas if possible. Can anyone share what storage system they use?
It's great to hear someone still jumping with with the Cirkut. I've made my living with one for quite a long while. They are great fun, and I was thinking last night about how much I enjoyed figuring them out and getting them to work well.
The Cirkut shooters I know keep their negatives in the original Kodak boxes. Until the 50's or so (maybe later - all well before my time) the film came in a metal can inside the box. When I find old Cirkut negs they are almost always in the box or can. The cans seem to have provided some extra protection, but the problem with all these is obvious - the negatives set up into a strong curl over time. For 5-10 year storage I wouldn't worry about that. Long term it does lead to problems (some of my older negatives are hard to flatten for printing). I also realize you may be loading from bulk and not have boxes (a problem I had with b&w). I also don't know what kind of film you are shooting.
Shelves would be ideal. That's how I store my prints. But retrieving negatives would be a chore. Hanging sounds fine as long as you have space for it. They'll get dusty and be getting a lot more air transfer over the emulsion, but I doubt it will really be an issue for you.
I use 1.75" tubes for shipping prints, and sometimes use those for storeage. They are not acid free, but a sheet of acid free paper could isolate the negative from the tube if you are concerned. This last may really be the most practical solution.
Thanks for your help, Mark!
Exactly, getting the cameras themselves to work is half the intrigue, and luckily for me, that is indeed part of their appeal. Plus, I just love putting old stuff back into service, so on many levels, it's become addicting.
I'm using Ilford HP5+ that comes on a 100' foot roll, so I don't have any individual cans/boxes I can use, and just like you mention, I was worried about curling over time if I stored them in some acquired tubes. But, I think it might not only buy me some time, but possibly work out well, especially for the longest ones.
Oh yes, dust is my concern with the hanging system I'm now using. It seems to be working for the short term, so I'm gonna give this more thought, and come up with a mixed solution depending on the neg length. I can build a storage cabinet for ones of moderate length, which most of them are, so for the bulk of them, should work out well.
Thanks so much for you thoughts/help - much appreciated!
I think the ultimate best storage would be a cabinet with panoramic width drawers (libraries have them). But completely impractical for me.
What HP5 film are you using?? Is this 9.5" aerial? If so, that polyester type base is unlikely to take a curl and I'd lean toward rolling them up (well that's what I do anyway). If you've got 10" HP5 on acetate base, then I'm jealous.
Let me know if there is any help I can give. I have lots of gears and assorted Cirkut stuff.
I'm guessing it's the hp5 that ilford cut about a year ago on special order at 8". They also cut some 5" last year.
On Negs, I've been mostly placing them in archival tissue, then wrapping them in very loose rolls (6-12" diameter) and keeping them in plastic bins
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Originally Posted by jamie young
Sorry I didn't hear about that, though I'd want 10" anyway. Acetate base I assume?
I do know someone who is desperate for some 8" black and white. If you happen to know any of this available, I'd be happy to put him in touch.
Ahhh, hadn't thought about a loose roll - thanks Jamie.
Mark - Yep, Jamie is right, the HP5 I'm using is the 8" stuff Ilford cuts once a year. I too wasn't really interested in 8", but 5" and 8" is all they had available for ordering this year. I did put in a request for 10" wide rolls next year, so I'm hopeful I can get that, (especially if others request it too), otherwise I'm thinking of getting their 20"x50' HP5 roll, and cutting it down, (I'd prefer not do that, but...)
You mentioned gears - I might need a set to use with a 300mm Symmar-S in the future. Not sure how many teeth I'd need off hand. I'd have to do some calculations, but that's something I'm looking into.
Mark - the film was cut on 120 thickness stock as cirkut film should be. Ilford is willing, as far as I've heard, to cut any size you want on their special order run. Tony- the person you want to talk to for gears is Ron Klein. He's in Alaska. Great cirkut shooter, and an excellent machinist
I'll second the recommendation of Ron. He's made quite a few gears for me and has been a great source of inspiration and ideas too. We started down this path at right about the same time and met around 1984, then not again in person until a few years ago.
Very cool, thanks!
The way I was told the Ilford special order ULF run works is that you can order only whatever is on their list for that year. For 2011, only 8" and 20" HP5 rolls were available for ordering. They also had 5" FP4 rolls, but not in HP5. I wanted 10", but couldn't get it because it wasn't on the list. Perhaps I was misinformed by that dealer? I tried calling Ilford directly for 2 weeks, months before the deadline for clarificatiion, left messages, and got no return call. That is why I have put in a request through that dealer to have 10" on the list for 2012. I'm uncertain exactly when the list comes out, but the cut-off date is in June....meaning they circulate the list months in advance of that date, so I wanted to get my request in as early as possible.
My sense is they will cut any size you'd like, but perhaps didn't know there was any desire for 10", so it hasn't yet made it onto their selection list. If anyone else would like it, please let them know to include it, so we can keep these old girls running!