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    Ryan, thanks for bringing this up. I too have the Formulary dark cloth. It is OK. I like it but I did notice two things. Too heavy to use with an old Korona 12x20, and like you said, not 100% light proof.

    I am buying one right now!

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    Me too. I've been using the BTZS "dark cloths" sold by The View Camera Store for about 12 years now. I've used them for 4x5, 5x7, and 8x10. I've never found anything else that matches it for a combination of light-tightness (?), light weight, compact, and ease of use. I just wish they used the original materials, which were somehwat lighter than the present material and had a nicer "feel." OTOH, that material tended to flake after four or five years of use.

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    I guess I am funny, I don't want a dark cloth that is light tight, I want one that shields the ground glass, but allows me to see what is going on around me. An old fashioned horseblanket works perfectly for me. Not to diminish what Kev has produced.
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    Just got my BTZ dark cloth from Fred at ViewCamera store, it is the 12 x 20 model to fit the 14 x 17, I have to say I was very suprised upon opening it at how compact and light it is! Also the velcro is placed just right to give options on how "enclosed" I want to be...I dont like feeling trapped or claustrophobic (sp?) under the cloth...it is white on the outside and waterproof on the outside and black on the inside....easily foldable into a quite small pkg or in my case easily wadded and stuffed...quite supple...I recommend

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    WELL DONE Mr Saitta.

    I received my wonderfully huge dark cloth this morning. So given the way the week has been going I used it's arrival as an excuse to go outside during lunch time. Shot two sheets of 7x17 film at a nearby building and have to say the dark cloth is VERY well made and wonderfully lightweight, yet heavy enough to just leave draped over the camera.

    Ill report more after I shoot some with it this weekend. But, really nice job Kev.

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    My dark cloth is made from a two-ply Gortex fabric, available at Rockywoods Outdoor Fabrics in Loveland, Colorado. It is super lightweight, breathable, and waterproof. Black on one side and white on the other. The inside we lined with an opaque black china silk. It is half the weight of my old horse blanket. We added a couple of small pockets on two corners to add flat sinkers when wind becomes an issue, a piece of elastic to keep it snug around the camera back and velcro closures. Works great!

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    Well, I just wanted to report that I've been using my Saitta darkcloth for a few weeks now and no problems! I'm using it with the 11x14 camera and find that the 5x6 is a perfect size for this format.

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    I am with Ryan.
    I have (had) a BTZS which I gave away because it was uncomfortable to use.
    I have a Blackjacket which I liked much better and used until I bought a 5x8' cloth from Kevin. A wonderful cloth. Not too heavy, easy to use with the 7x17, rainproof - what more could you want.
    And thep rice when compared with inferior cloths is dirt cheap. My ULF partner bought one when he used mine.
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    An alternative darkcloth

    In the early 1990's I attended a John Sexton workshop -- most of you know that he does a lot of "quiet light' image making....twilight and later. To do this requires a very "dark" darkcloth. He found the best darkcloth was homemade ---

    He used black ultrasuede(tm) and white ripstop nylon. Both materials are still available in fabric shops. The ultrasuede is absolutely black, and the ripstop is water repellent. I made mine by having the edges sewn together, leaving a tiny gap. It was turned inside-out through this gap, then the gap was sewn shut.

    Its a wonderful darkcloth. Not cheap. Absolutely no light through the cloth even when putting it up to a high intensity light bulb (like the Nuarc UV printer).

    IMHO commercial products aren't always the only nor best alternatives -- YMMV.

    Regards
    Don

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    I use the BTZS on my 7x17. I have been leaving it wrapped around the camera to act as a cushion when traveling. Don't do this. The stretch elastic fabric on the edges worked off the back standard and onto the bellows flattening a fold. Long term this would have done damage to the fold on the bellows, possibly causing a light leak. Learn from my mistake.

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