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    Experience with Hollinger's ULF Envelopes?

    Storage of ULF negatives seems to be such a bear. You've got that much more surface area waiting to be scratched, but there are that many fewer storage products on the market for ULF.

    Hollinger's Genealogical Storage Products ULF Photographic Envelopes look like a possibility, although they're certainly not inexpensive. But storing a negative directly in a paper envelope without an intermediate polyester or mylar sleeve seems like it might be conducive to scratching. Has anyone here used this product? Can you comment on its performance?

    At almost $3 per envelope I'd like to know that this is a viable solution. Don't they know we already spent all our money on the film itself?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wfwhitaker
    Storage of ULF negatives seems to be such a bear. You've got that much more surface area waiting to be scratched, but there are that many fewer storage products on the market for ULF.

    Hollinger's Genealogical Storage Products ULF Photographic Envelopes look like a possibility, although they're certainly not inexpensive. But storing a negative directly in a paper envelope without an intermediate polyester or mylar sleeve seems like it might be conducive to scratching. Has anyone here used this product? Can you comment on its performance?

    At almost $3 per envelope I'd like to know that this is a viable solution. Don't they know we already spent all our money on the film itself?...
    I feel that they are worth the expense as I saw them at a Michael and Paula seminar first hand. Ditto for their archival drop front print and negative boxes the company sells. I ordered a series of the boxes for several of the formats I shoot and received them. However I must tell you that I have been waiting on these archival negative "folders" for over a year and have not yet got this situation resolved. Catherine Hollinger who I am working with on this issue is the daughter of the owners and there may be an issue with the specific paper manufacturer that provides the paper stock for these items. I am hoping for an answer from Catherine shortly and will keep you posted. The folders have no adhesives or any other components that would add risk to the archival objectives and are a fabulous way to store negatives.

    I will re-post when I get an answer on timing.

    Cheers!

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    Hello WF,

    I have just started using 16 x 20 clear open plastic envelopes for 14 x 17 negs, they are archival, they are folded and the open side-the 20" side seals with a small overlap that seems to work well. I like it because I do not have to slide the neg in....I am hoping to find an envelope to insert the 16 x 12 cover in...possible an xray envelope. I am also using them (the 16 x 20) for 7 x 17. I got them from Fred Newman at the View Camera Store, he is an APUG sponsor.

    I am hoping also that I can print through this for gum etc.

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    For my 8x20 negatives I take a sheet of apollo paper and fold it in half. A negative sleeve for about 30 cents. At 3.00 an envelope I woulds have to pass. Apollo or Renaissance paper folded in half makes a great folder.The negative is easy in and easy out with no flaps to drag against. I then place them in an archival 16x20 film box in two stacks. It works out really well. Apollo paper is buffered for use with black and white films. So the negative is surrounded by an archival paper and then placed in an archival box. At 27 cents a film sleeve you can't beat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertP
    For my 8x20 negatives I take a sheet of apollo paper and fold it in half. A negative sleeve for about 30 cents. At 3.00 an envelope I woulds have to pass. Apollo or Renaissance paper folded in half makes a great folder.The negative is easy in and easy out with no flaps to drag against. I then place them in an archival 16x20 film box in two stacks. It works out really well. Apollo paper is buffered for use with black and white films. So the negative is surrounded by an archival paper and then placed in an archival box. At 27 cents a film sleeve you can't beat it.

    Robert, that sounds good, I do not know what Apollo paper is, where can one get it? Art store?

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    Dave, Light impressions sells it in 100 sheet packages. I think Hollinger sells a product like it also. I also had a roll of ribbon handy. I don't recall the name of the type of ribbon but it is very much like a marker ribbon you find in Bibles. (Sorry that is the best way to descibe it off the top of my head). By placing two stacks of 8x20 in a 16x20 box I just tie the ribbon around each stack loosely to keep the stacks from nesting.

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    Dave, LI also sells it in rolls so you can cut whatever size you need. A 1000 ft. roll 32" wide is 170.00. That's a lot of film sleeves.

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    This is Apollo tissue I'm referring to. They also make a heavier paper (Apollo paper) With the tissue it comes out to about 21 cents a film sleeve buying it by the 100 sheet packs. The tissue is plenty heavy enough for negative protection. And it is the Apollo tissue that comes in the 1000 ft rolls for 170.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Kadillak
    ... However I must tell you that I have been waiting on these archival negative "folders" for over a year and have not yet got this situation resolved.
    Michael,

    To which "folders" do you refer? Are they the same as I linked to above or another product?

    When the image costs upwards of $12 for the sheet of film, plus processing plus the expense and effort of getting the image in the first place, then $2.50 - $3 for a storage envelope doesn't sound quite as unreasonable. I'm looking at buying some of the storage bags from Clearbags as a more economical alternative. But the paper envelope offers the possibility of making printing notes which stay with the negative. The ideal would be a paper envelope with a mylar inner sleeve open on three sides to allow handling on the lightbox much like what Light Impressions has offered for smaller formats.
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    Will, Light Impressions also sells a transparent archival grade DuPont polyester film and the tape for it also that you could make your own envelopes with. It also comes in rolls and sheets but I don't know what the cost would amount to. I don't shoot 12.00 a sheet film but my cheaper negatives are just as important to me and I'm plenty comfortable with the Apollo tissue. But what ever makes you feel more secure is the route to take.

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