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    Matt,

    After shooting with several lenses, I think my second most favorite lens was a very clean 24" artar with a copal #3 I had installed. It is by far and away my sharpest, most contrasty lens for the format.
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    AAHHHH to be young and single. My wife would kill me if I came home with one of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Hall View Post
    Matt,

    After shooting with several lenses, I think my second most favorite lens was a very clean 24" artar with a copal #3 I had installed. It is by far and away my sharpest, most contrasty lens for the format.
    the "first most favorite lens" being?...

    The 355mm G claron (what I have mounted right now and used for that paper neg shot) looks to be a nice lens on the format, perhaps a bit wide, but that will just force me to be selective about using the camera.

    Im hoping to perhaps find a 450mm+/- lens for a reasonable price sometime in the future. Maybe a barrel mounted ronar or nikkor process lens. Need something fairly reasonably priced as I dont have $700-800 to burn. I imagine that would/could become the "standard" lens for me and this format. I find myself shooting solely one lens when I use a certain format/camera. I only shot with a 135mm lens on 4x5, a 300mm on 8x10, and my 355mm on 7x17. So I imagine a 450mm lens would fit me well. I just missed out on a 450mm Ronar just now on ebay that went for $36... so Im hoping I can come across another in that price range.

    Im not sure if the 24" RD Artar will work for me Robert. I dont believe the F&S front rail is long enough. if I remember right someone mentioned an extension board being needed for a 24"/600mm to focus at infinity. So I imagine a 450mm would be plenty short enough and hopefully offer coverage.

    Does anyone happen to know if Ronar 450mm lenses, 450/480mm Nikkor Process lenses will cover this format. I know You (robert), Sandy King and Carl Weese (or used too) shoot in this format. But not sure of who else.

    thanks in advance.

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    355 G is the mainstay of these cameras. Dick (Arentz) shoots it more than others as well as I.

    You may want to look, then at a 19" artar. Cheap and should have the coverage you need.

    Best of luck!
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    matt, i have a 480mm red dot, if that thing will cover then we can try it out.
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    12x20

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    matt, i have a 480mm red dot, if that thing will cover then we can try it out.
    Matt,
    If you come up this way you could try out my 19" Apo Artar and a 480mm Apo Nikkor I use on my 12x20 Lotus. Also have others that you can put up to your camera to check out coverage. My main lens is a 355 like yours. I am in Dallas so let me know if you make it this way to Denton. Congratulations and happy shooting!

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    Lenses for 12x20

    My 480mm APO Nikkor would cover 12x20 at infinity, but a large area in all corners would never be sharp regardless of f-stop. I sold the elements and used the shutter for another lens. I use a 19" red dot on the 12x20 which at infinity, has some lack of sharpness in the corners. But it will cover anything less than infinity with movements. Your camera probably doesn't have the bellows, but I also use 24", 30", and 35" red dot artars on my 12x20, a 355mm G-Claron, and an old 14" Dagor in shutter. A 210mm Super Angulon will barely cover - slight corner clips, but significant distortion. I've used them all on my camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scootermm View Post
    the "first most favorite lens" being?...

    The 355mm G claron (what I have mounted right now and used for that paper neg shot) looks to be a nice lens on the format, perhaps a bit wide, but that will just force me to be selective about using the camera.

    Im hoping to perhaps find a 450mm+/- lens for a reasonable price sometime in the future. Maybe a barrel mounted ronar or nikkor process lens. Need something fairly reasonably priced as I dont have $700-800 to burn. I imagine that would/could become the "standard" lens for me and this format. I find myself shooting solely one lens when I use a certain format/camera. I only shot with a 135mm lens on 4x5, a 300mm on 8x10, and my 355mm on 7x17. So I imagine a 450mm lens would fit me well. I just missed out on a 450mm Ronar just now on ebay that went for $36... so Im hoping I can come across another in that price range.

    Im not sure if the 24" RD Artar will work for me Robert. I dont believe the F&S front rail is long enough. if I remember right someone mentioned an extension board being needed for a 24"/600mm to focus at infinity. So I imagine a 450mm would be plenty short enough and hopefully offer coverage.

    Does anyone happen to know if Ronar 450mm lenses, 450/480mm Nikkor Process lenses will cover this format. I know You (robert), Sandy King and Carl Weese (or used too) shoot in this format. But not sure of who else.

    thanks in advance.
    The 450/480mm process type lenses may have enough circle of illumination but even if they do performance will be very soft on the edges. You can improve performance a lot by stopping down.

    The 450mm Nikkor M is a great lens for 12X20. I would not waste my money on any other lens of this focual length, unless you want to try out one of the huge plasmat type (Symmar, Symmar-S, Nikkor-W, Fujinon-W). You would get great coverage with them, and a brighter ground glass to. But they are really large.

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    congratulations matt
    that looks like a LOT of fun!

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    Too cool Matt, too cool!
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