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    7x17 Neg Storage and Mount sizes

    A couple questions concerning 7x17 as I start getting geared up for my venture into ULF.

    First:What are people using for negative storage?

    Second: What dimensions are commonly used for 7x17 print mounting boards? I know this can be subjective and a matter of aesthetic taste, but I'm just trying to get ideas for a starting point.

    Thanks in advance,
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    Alex, on the second question I think that 13x25 is a good size for the 7x17 or in my case 8x20. This is what Michael Smith uses for his 8x20's. If you go longer you can get more pieces out of a sheet but I think it looks wrong if it is to long. I did a mock up of this size and it felt "right" to me. Just my .02.

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    Mat dimensions of 14X24 with floating mount for kallitypes & hopefully soon Carbon prints too. For storage I currently just use a film box with negatives interleaved with paper. Need to do something better.

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    Alex,

    Here are APUG quotes from Sandy King and RobertP.
    "I store my 7X17" negatives in the top loading boxes from Hollinger. Some of the negatives are stored in specially made print sleeves for 7X17" negatives, and then are placed in an acid free paper I buy from Light Impressions called Renaissance paper. The paper comes in a size that when you fold it over it is almost perfect for a 7X17" negative and the Hollinger boxes. I ran out of the plastic print sleeves and don't plan to get any more because I think the negative is really better off stored in the folded paper.

    You can also use Renaissance tissue, which is lighter and costs less, but I prefer the paper.

    Sandy King

    From RobertP

    "I use the same as Sandy. I have used the Renaissance tissue and Apollo tissue from LI. The Apollo paper or tissue is about the same as the Renaissance but the Apollo is buffered where the Renaissance is not. I was told the buffered would be better for storing negatives because of this. But either will work well. I then store them in the Hollinger boxes. The Hollinger boxes are probably the best bang for the buck out there."

    John speaking here:
    I use the Hollinger box which loads from the top and has inside measurements of:17 3/8" x 6" x 7 3/8" deep. I liked Robert's idea of the buffered paper so I use Apollo Paper size 14x18 product # 3141 from Light Impressions. I fold the 14" side in half and cut to fit the box.

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    Thanks John. Where can I get the Hollinger boxes? Does Light Impressions carry them?
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    Alex,

    Just finished my first series of 20 images with the 7x17 for my Advanced Photo class. I bought over mat or window mat and mounting board from American Frame in Toledo. The outside mat dimension is 23 7/16 x 14 1/8". There were no verticals in the series. The top and side borders were 3 1/4". The bottom border was 4". I wanted whitest white and they suggested Crescent Select White Glove. The back mat was archival foam core.

    I called Thursday afternoon and mentioned that I was under a little pressure to receive them, mount the pictures, tape the hinges and show in the final critique the following Thursday. At no extra charge they cut the mats and shipped Friday. I had them Monday afternoon. I live just south of Cleveland. Everything was ready Wednesday morning. This is the third time they have given me one day service at no charge.

    Border size and hole size is purely one person's opinion, or in this case one student and his professor's opinion. I have nine film holders and four variations of notches. The compromise for a single hole size had the notch going to the edges of the window with a 3/16 black border. Variations to 1/8" were a fact of life. I contact print on Kentmere VC FB.

    Hope this all helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Hawley View Post
    Thanks John. Where can I get the Hollinger boxes? Does Light Impressions carry them?
    The Hollinger Corp. Tel: 800-634-0491, Fax 800-957-8814 -
    Web site www.hollingercorp.com

    I bought direct. Someone here had negotiated with them to make this size. I like the box. I do not like the negative envelope they offer. It is open on the long side, three sides closed. It is a heavy archival stock. It so heavy it limits how many negatives you can store in a box compared to the Apollo paper. I also felt it was such hard stock that it might scratch the negatives. I didnít, but it worried me. I bought some envelopes to try and now use a few of them as subject dividers in the box.

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    Thanks guys. This is all very helpful. I found another good idea over on the LF Forum. That is using plastic seed trays for processing. They are of the right dimensions and a heck-of-a-lot cheaper that those regular 16x18 photo trays.
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    BTW, I just want to clarify that the paper I used to store 7X17 and 12X20 negateives is Apollo paper, not Renaissance pape. It is acid free and buffered. Just fold the paper, put the negative in, and drop it into one of the top-loading boxes from Hollinger. Buy the 20X24" size for 12X20 negatives and 14X17 for 7X17 negatives. Number and identify the negative with a pencil on the outside of the paper.

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    I agree with what sandy mentioned about the apollo paper. This is what I have started using for storing my negs.

    as to boxes for storing the negatives, I use the empty film negs boxes. I believe I put two empty film boxes in the package Alex. since the boxes are nested with three layers, ever two film boxes ordered heeds three boxes of "storage".

    in regards to the matting/mounting. I use a fairly standard 'format', 20x28. it leaves some fairly wide borders on some sides, but I like the fact that its fairly common to find 20x28 frames and it heeds two mats out of a standard sheet of matboard.

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