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    Robert,

    Alan will do a great job on the wet plate holder. My Ebony was built around an AWB holder system which was then shipped to Ebony so that it could be precise. I also had a 16 x 20 reducing back made at the same time for wet plate/pt pd work as well. In for a dime, in for a dollar. As to the deep pockets believe me I understand. I sold a piece of ground in Texas and negotiated in the price of the camera unbeknownst to the buyers. I figured I had one shot in life at something like this so I jumped in hoping there was water in the bottom of the pool. I have to feed the thing on 'real life' money though which makes for some interesting sacrifices around these parts! I don't regret it though. Life isn't as long as I would like it to be, might as well go up to edge and peer over every once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt View Post
    Me neither, except for that person who is so driven that they defy all odds, comes up with something that works for them. I never put down people with below the market level resources who make their own equipment.

    Curt
    It really depends on how much you enjoy building things. In my case, I have a plethora of 16x20 and 20x24 lith film, inexpensive lenses that cover and a packard shutter, as well as a set of bellows lying about. Would I prefer to use a nice new, geared everything camera, sure, but in reality, for very little $$$ outlay, I have the capability to shoot 20x24, and since I've been in alt-process land lately, the 16x20 or 20x24 negative gives me a few options as to print size. Building isn't for everybody, but if you enjoy it, why not go for it?


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    I would like to see what an adapter for wet plate work looks like. Please post some pictures of a plate holder/adpater or what it is called. In my planning of how my perfect camera should be, I want to take every option into consideration. I want to make it as modular as possible.

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    I have no problem with someone building their own camera. Even the tried and true folks had to start somewhere. In fact I am a bit surprised about people's assumption that the OP will be cobbling together a shoe box. As photographers we are craftsman and as people who use BW you folks should immediately understand the desire to create something from beginning to end. I have no idea what level of wood craftsman the OP is but it seems clear that he knows what he is getting into.

    It has been a dream of mine, for some time now, to design and build a camera that fits my needs.
    Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI

    So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004

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    Please can we get this thread back on track. Please post pictures and comments on the details that You love the most on Your cameras.

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    It seems like the singular great feature of a camera this size would be weight. Everything else is a distant second. I could probably use a 20x24 Ebony once...50lb? That's almost sack of concrete mix. My hat's off. I've toyed with the idea of torsion box construction to keep the weight down on a camera this size. The trick would be to keep the bulk down though. Hollow core doors are torsion boxes, if you ever lifted one it's amazing how light they are, essentially cardboard honeycombs laminated with very very thin plywood, but they're also notoriously easy to put hole in. In the end I'm glad I favor somewhat intimate contact prints, so I don't pursue it.

    I think Ritter has performed a miracle of design with the carbon fiber 20x24, so it's certainly worth pursuing non traditional materials. Phillips' design looks like it could be parleyed into a 20x24 very easily. I'm not aware if he's ever made any camera bigger than 11x14.

    Modularity seems straight forward enough- if the front and back are big enough you can adapt anything you want to them? Certainly no problem with any 20x24. But maybe you mean something else there.

    Whenever I set out to make a camera for myself, the fun part is deciding what I want on it, and working out the problems in the design. I envy you this undertaking, seems there will be no shortage of interesting challenges. Good luck with the project.

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    Weight is #1. The lens I have in mind is 3.4 kg with the shutter. The Glas for the groundglas is heavy too. There could probably be many small weightsavings, but then again at what cost.

    The modularity I want is the ability to change the rear end of the back in order to allow for use with a Polaroid system or to do wet plate work or just a simple way to be prepared for what ever comes along that might be fun to try working with. I want to be open to all possibilities.

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    Does the Ritter 20x24 use carbon fiber tubes or solid rods? I guess tubes. I would love to see a detailed close up photo or photos of the carbon fiber bed for the Ritter 20x24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Charles View Post
    Does the Ritter 20x24 use carbon fiber tubes or solid rods? I guess tubes. I would love to see a detailed close up photo or photos of the carbon fiber bed for the Ritter 20x24.

    The RR 20X24 uses carbon fiber tubes. I would post a photo of the bed but am traveling and can not at this time. Even so, it is fairly complicated visually and I am not sure it would be easy to understand even with a good picture.

    If I were to build a 20X24 camera again I would strongly consider the modular approach taken by Kerry Thalmann. I think the mono-rail design would be easier to assemble for most persons than a traditional wood bed design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Charles View Post
    Does the Ritter 20x24 use carbon fiber tubes or solid rods? I guess tubes. I would love to see a detailed close up photo or photos of the carbon fiber bed for the Ritter 20x24.
    Head over to www.circleofthesunproductions.com and check out the ULF video. This is the manual for Richard Ritter's ULF cameras. It costs $15 and includes shipping. On the video, Richard gives a detailed explanation about how he arrived at Carbon Fiber, vs Aircraft Aluminum for his rail system. There is also some video of just the rail system and a sequence where Richard stands on the rail system. This was Richard's test to be sure the rail system would be able to handle anything we users were likely to throw at it.

    I own a RR 7x17 and just love it. It is much lighter than my Zone VI 8x10.

    PS Welcome to the Large Format Forum... whoops, welcome to apug
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