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    Clayton I didn't send them the holders, I just told them they were Chamonix holders. I bought those first, before the back, because I wanted to be sure that I'd like them. (They're ok, nicely made, do wish the darkslides had proper handles though) I did do a quick check with the 5x8 holders on my 5x7 back and the results seemed ok, fog notwithstanding. But honestly I naively assumed that the registry wouldn't be much of an issue because I figured I'd go straight to f/22 for purposes of optimal coverage. (That was before I had the 150 SW) Perhaps I should've been more concerned... but all's well that ends well: I got the 150 and saw no registry problems with the lens wide open.
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    Resurrecting an old thread... finding a 210mm lens that covers 5x12 ENLARGED AND SHARPLY TO THE CORNERS w/ a bit of wiggle room.

    Okay, now I'm getting really frustrated. It seems that there are only a handfull of 210's capable of filling my needs (okay wants). I want the option of making razer sharp 8x enlargements. The candidates are the 210 SS XL (way too pricey for me), 210 SA (way too big/heavy), 210 Computar/Kyvytar/Kowa (hard to find), 210 SS HM (still somewhat too big/heavy), and 210 Sironar-W (darned hard to find).

    I bought a 210 G-Claron then learned it won't hold up to enlargements. Then I bought a 210 Apo Symmar only to discover it BARELY covers 8x10 straight on. If I stick with 5x12 these will both be available for sale.

    I'm getting so pi$$ed off that I'm very nearly ready to say to heck with 5x12 and buy a 4x10 even though I really want to shoot 5x12.

    ARRRGH!!

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    Mike

    there's a few others to consider. The early model Fuji 210W will do it, the hard part is figuring out all the variations of these lenses. There's about 4 versions, the one with the most cover has lettering on the outside of the barrel. I have a late model multicoated version, sharpness to the edges is great but it clips the corners slightly. I was going to modify the barrel to fix it by trimming the outer lip back a bit. I've never done it because I always crop my negs to 4x12 as I prefer the longer aspect ratio.

    I've tested a 210 Graphic Kowa and it was excellent too.

    I suspect there are a few more lenses worth looking at that aren't too hard on the budget.

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    Before someone suggests it, I have a Dagor in that focal length, series 3. Centre sharpness is good but edges are rubbish compared to modern optics when enlarged 4x

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    Mike, what you are discovering is precisely why I went for 4x10... well, lenses plus film availability. The other thing is that 4x10 is close enough to 5x8, 5x7 and 4x5 that there are adapters that make sense.... if you don't want to shoot pano only. Sure, I admit that I'd rather contact print a 5x12 neg than a 4x10 one, but...
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    Quote Originally Posted by clay nz View Post
    Mike

    there's a few others to consider. The early model Fuji 210W will do it, the hard part is figuring out all the variations of these lenses. There's about 4 versions, the one with the most cover has lettering on the outside of the barrel. I have a late model multicoated version, sharpness to the edges is great but it clips the corners slightly. I was going to modify the barrel to fix it by trimming the outer lip back a bit. I've never done it because I always crop my negs to 4x12 as I prefer the longer aspect ratio.

    I've tested a 210 Graphic Kowa and it was excellent too.

    I suspect there are a few more lenses worth looking at that aren't too hard on the budget.

    Clayton
    Clayton, thank you. I've been researching/reading and have found that the 200-ish FL is just about the most difficult to find that will cover 5x12 comfortably. I found a m- 210 Kowa with perfect glass in a late all black Copal for $595. I'm tempted to pull the trigger on that one even though it's probably overpriced. However, I don't want to buy yet another lens that I'll just have to re-sell.

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    Mike, what you are discovering is precisely why I went for 4x10... well, lenses plus film availability. The other thing is that 4x10 is close enough to 5x8, 5x7 and 4x5 that there are adapters that make sense.... if you don't want to shoot pano only. Sure, I admit that I'd rather contact print a 5x12 neg than a 4x10 one, but...
    Keith, I'm not too worried about 5x12 film availablity. Kodak has 5" aerial film in B&W, color neg, color transparency, and IR. As others are already doing I'll just cut it to length. I don't think I'll bother with multiple backs because I don't think I can carry all that around with me. When I want shorter formats I'll just crop off the ends. Yes, it's wasteful but hey, life is too short to worry about such things.

    I want the "option" of making B-I-G prints even though I'll likely only make big prints. It's my way of considering future options.

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    Well, I'd be happy to join in some purchases of 5" roll film... I already have the pan-x and wouldn't mind stocking up more, but I'd especially like some colour 5" stuff.
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    If I do finally buy a 5x12 then I'll definitely be in the market for 5" aerial color neg film.

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    The best 210 I have used is the Super Symmar XL, which has enormous coverage.

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    I have a 210 Wollensak Graphic Raptar that more than covers 5x12. It is a direct fit into an Alphax shutter. It would probably fit a Copal 1 with adaptation by SK Grimes.

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