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    I was hoping to ask this question in a German group! but here goes!
    Can anyone help me?

    I'm registered here in germany as a Photographer!

    Now I'm getting letters from the Handwerkskammer demanding payment! but for what? who are they and what do they do?

    Same thing goes for the Berufsgenossenschaft who are they? and why do they want money?

    They both what money before I get it!

    Are they a help! or are they just a group of old fat useless photographers that prey on new businesses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMP-NikonPro View Post
    I was hoping to ask this question in a German group! but here goes!
    Can anyone help me?

    I'm registered here in germany as a Photographer!

    Now I'm getting letters from the Handwerkskammer demanding payment! but for what? who are they and what do they do?

    Same thing goes for the Berufsgenossenschaft who are they? and why do they want money?

    They both what money before I get it!

    Are they a help! or are they just a group of old fat useless photographers that prey on new businesses?
    Handwerkskammern in Germany are remains of the mediaeval guild system. They are responsible for the organisation of apprenticeship and represent the interests of their respective profession against the authorities. In fact, to be allowed to run a craftshop, usually you even have to be certified master of your craft. This certification is done by the respective Handwerkskammer of your profession. Since a few years photographers are an exception from this rule. As a rule of thumb at least all crafts with security issues involved as it is the case with plumbers and electricians still need this certified mastership. The membership in the Handwerkskammer in any case is compulsory. I am afraid it can't be avoided.
    The Berufsgenossenschaft is an insurance against accidents on the job. They are responsible for safety on the job and care for the medical treatment and rehabilitation of employees in case an a accident did happen. Here to, the membership is compulsory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulrich Drolshagen View Post
    The Berufsgenossenschaft is an insurance against accidents on the job. They are responsible for safety on the job and care for the medical treatment and rehabilitation of employees in case an a accident did happen. Here to, the membership is compulsory.

    Ulrich
    But I don't have any employees!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMP-NikonPro View Post
    But I don't have any employees!!
    It applies to yourself as well.
    It's an important part of the German social welfare system. If you have have an accident on the job, they take care that you are not dependent on charity to make a living in case you can not be rehabilitated after an severe accident.

    As this care is very expensive, they are responsible for the reduction of severe accidents too. They create regulations to make workshops save (they will visit you occasionally and look after the compliance of your shop with these regulations). I am cabinet maker in the first profession I have learned over twenty years ago. In former times you could tell a carpenter or a cabinet maker by the count of the fingers on their right hand. Thanks to the Berufsgenossenschaften this is not the case anymore.

    BTW last night I forgot to mention a third institution which is an important part of the self organization of the German trade. It's the Innung. The membership is not mandatory as with the Handwerkskammer but they take an important role in the technical operation of the apprenticeships and approval of masters. They are not only organized by region and authoritative for all trades as a whole but are organized by profession and a region. These regions can be smaller or larger dependent on the count of shops in a region. Obviously you will find more barbers in a town as photographers. So each town or county will have it's own Friseurinnung this will not be the case with photographers.

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    Ulrich is right, I just want to add that the Berufsgenossenschaften also operate some big, specialized hospitals:

    These are specalized in treating injuries caused by accidents:
    * Unfallkrankenhaus Berlin-Marzahn
    * Berufsgenossenschaftliches Universitätsklinikum Bergmannsheil Bochum
    * Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Duisburg-Buchholz
    * Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Frankfurt am Main
    * Berufsgenossenschaftliche Kliniken Bergmannstrost Halle (Saale)
    * Berufsgenossenschaftliches Unfallkrankenhaus Hamburg
    * Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Ludwigshafen
    * Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Murnau (bei Garmisch-Partenkirchen)
    * Berufsgenossenschaftliche Unfallklinik Tübingen

    Two hospitals for occupational diseases:

    * Klinik für Berufskrankheiten Bad Reichenhall
    * Berufsgenossenschaftliche Klinik Falkenstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by RMP-NikonPro View Post
    When are you going to start up your German group? (you've been talking about it since last year!)
    We are already here, and actually we can start posting right now.

    It will just look better when the new forum software is there.

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    So what's the difference between that and the Krankenkasse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RMP-NikonPro View Post
    So what's the difference between that and the Krankenkasse?
    Krankenkassen pay for the treatment when you are ill or have an accident in your private life. Berufsgenossenschaften pay if you are injured in an accident on the job. Krankenkassen fees are paid by employees and employers half by half. Berufsgenossenschaften fees are paid by the one who runs the shop as he causes the risk to get injured by the way he runs it.
    Both institutions are part of our social security systen which includes insurance against unemployment and and the social pension fund. The whole system was established in 1883 by Reichskanzler Bismarck attendant of his Sozialistengesetze in 1878 where he tried to get rid of the socialists by prohibiting the Sozialdemokratische Partei and the trade unions. The idea was that by bettering the social situation of the workers a socialist party would get less attractive for the working poor. In this he was wrong but his social security system turned out to be an excellent idea.

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    Ok, so so that explains the Berufsgenossenschaft! many thanks

    But why the Handwerkskammer if they don't do nothing?
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