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    Ok- so here is the info I'm getting....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Layne View Post
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    I went and checked my Ideal. It uses pop off holders #726/7. The lever on the top right of the camera is the holder release lever so I wonder if there has been a odification. It has the drop bed which confirms that it is an Ideal. However the camera does not look modified however. Where the bed strut attaches to the bed is shaped differently to my camera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy38 View Post
    When you see the piece below on a corner of your camera, it's sure that it uses a pop off holder.
    I have some like that in Hüttig, ICA and Zeiss Icon.
    On the plate holder for ICA Ideal 9X12cm, it's written 726/6.
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    AND- some say slide in, and some say pop on.... back numerics "726/6" or "726/7"... Holy Crap! Here's additional pix just so I can MORE confused...
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    Seller listed this as an ICA Ideal Model C 9x12....

    I feel like that dog in the RCA Victor ads.....Click image for larger version. 

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    Welll... ok. Anyone else?

    of course, I haven't received the camera yet either- so... I'm going to try to acquire a couple of backs and see what works... then be alerted to the sell off of the ones that don't work....

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    Once you have the camera in-hand and can give us some measurements and detailed pics we can give you some better answers. ^_^

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    Just a bunch of lies!

    Received the "ICA Ideal 111", and of course it's a 6.5 x 9!!
    AND it takes "pop on" type film backs…! So I think I can make the Kodak film/plate holders work. They have two little tabs that the Ideal film back locks can grab- as long as I'm careful. Now here's a question: does my camera need more light seals? I took this photo using a Kodak holder with a paper neg(inverted in Photoshop) see the leaks! And heres a shot of the back of the camera- notice how there seems to be a place where a light seal might go? That small trench?
    Anyone have an idea? Love the camera, but without pop-on film holders, this will be a challenge....
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    Bob,

    Welcome to the frustrating world of European plate cameras! ^__^

    Those Kodak plate holders are probably for the Kodak Recomar 18 camera. Their light trap consisted of a track along the sides and fuzzy velvet strips at the top and the bottom.

    Your Ideal uses a metal lip all around the opening of the plate holder to provide a mechanical light trap. That also requires the tip-in mounting since it won't slide on the back.

    I have a copy of the 1931 Zeiss Ikon catalog. It lists the following holders for your 6.5x9cm camera:

    Plate Holder: 726/3 -- this would require a "septum" or insert to hold cut film or paper.

    Film pack holder: 728/2 -- this could be adapted for use with cut film or paper, but was designed to be used with the long discontinued film packs.

    If you want to use your Kodak holders, you could build up a velvet light trap around the four edges of the holder. It needs to fill the gap between the edges of the holder and the film opening. If you start gluing things, I'd recommend gluing to the holder rather than the camera. Fuzzy velvet against a flat surface in the camera should provide an adequate light trap if the strip is wide enough.

    Good luck!

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