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    Plate holder madness

    In an attempt to get hold of some plate holders for my 6.5x9cm KW Patent Etui, I bought a boxfull of plate holders on German ebay.

    The attempt was successful, I got nine fine KaWee holders in great shape!

    So now I have most of a boxfull of plate holders which I just don't need...

    Instead of putting them in the "classifieds", I decided to mention them here:

    Stereo plate holders:
    5x Zeiss Ikon 721/004, 6x13cm plates.
    1x Ica 721/001, 4.5x10.7cm plates.
    3x nameless, 4.5x10.7cm plates, very small holders without flange.

    10x15cm - one holder, flange along both sides, no flange on bottom.
    9x12cm: Several, various designs. I'm keeping the "millionenfalz" ones, they fit my Voigtländers and Rodenstock

    4.5x6cm: Several shiny ones, marked "EGLÉ Breveté SGDG", no flange.
    A couple of Ernemann ones, with flanges.
    Several Ica ones, some marked "721 33", some "721 14". The "33" look similar to the Ernemanns.
    A lot of nameless ones, some with the "crinkle finish" similar to my best Voigtländer-compatible 9x12cm holders. Same flanges too - maybe I should look for a 4.5x6cm plate camera instead?

    I'm not trying (hard) to sell these, but if anyone has a "need" for them they can have them. If anyone has information about them, that would be welcome too!
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    Hi cousin...

    I have two packets of (almost) 100 year old glass plates (Gevaert and Lumiere) that are 9x12 in size. Would they fit in one of your holders ? Would the holder then fit in one of my 4x5 cameras (even with the help of a home-made adaptor) ?? Then I would surely be interested, because the only other way I thought of using them in-camera would be to use double-sided tape and stick them on 4x5 holders (fidelity), but that's a drag...

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    George,

    I also have a nice Linhof plate-holder-adapter for international (or spring) back 4x5", with matching plate holder. Or perhaps a "real" Linhof Universal film&plate holder "mit Auswerfer" for 9x12cm film or plates?

    I use some 9x12cm plates myself, but mostly in 9x12cm plate cameras...
    -- Ole Tjugen, Luddite Elitist
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    George, why not spend $25-100 on a decent 9x12 plate camera? Probably cheaper than adapting to a 4x5 camera.

    Ole if you ever have any for the 9x12 KW Patent Etui for sale I'd like to know Actually, I do have 5 holders for it which should be enough for most days but I haven't tested them yet.
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    Mike, I'm not really the old camera collecting type. But I would gladly give 25-50 bucks for a working camera that will expose my plates. Do you have a suggestion ?

    On the other hand, I can borrow an adapter from my cousin Ole (if he is so kind as to lend it to me) and shoot them with my beloved Super Technika... After all, it's just two boxes and they will not last forever... after they have been shot, I won't have anything to do with the 9x12 camera.

    Dear Ole, will you lend me an adapter that I can use on my Linhof 4x5 with the glass plates ? On my part, I can offer you a series of nice prints that will come from these plates a while after I use them...

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    Sure George, send me your address and I'll send you the adapter and a 9x12 plate holder. I'll even test it first.
    -- Ole Tjugen, Luddite Elitist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Kovacs
    Ole if you ever have any for the 9x12 KW Patent Etui for sale I'd like to know Actually, I do have 5 holders for it which should be enough for most days but I haven't tested them yet.
    Mike, I think I do. I'll look through the stack - I assume they look about the same as the 6.5x9 holders, only bigger? And won't fit the Voigtländers correctly?
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    Ole, sounds like your quest to find proper plate holderes were a bit more succesful than mine.
    Try locating Thornton Pickard bookcase style holders in 5x7, LOL. Sure, there's no shortage of quarter, half, and full plate sized holders, but nothing in 5x7. Oh, and don't get me started on full plate holders to fit Cycle Graphics - a gazillion different variations in holder styles out there, but none fits the camera in question properly (having spent 40USD for a single holder just to find out it won't fit can most certainly ruin one's day).

    Cheers,
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    Chris, 13x18cm bookstyle holders are very common in Europe. Unfortunately they come in about 100 different external sizes, only one of which will fit any given camera. I was fortunate enough to get a 13x18 plate camera with four matching holders. Three of the holders can take 5x7" film inserts, in the fourth one they will slip. Apart from that I can find no difference between them, even all internal measurements are the same!
    -- Ole Tjugen, Luddite Elitist
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    They are similar to the Voigtlanders, but I am told they are a little shorter. I don't have a Voigtlander holders to compare though.

    The three original KW holders I own have spring loaded tabs that pop out when you pull the dark slide to remind you the plate is exposed. Nifty!
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