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    The 1 to 8 are for 6x9 images. There is a short dark slide that came with the adapt-a-roll that would mask for 6x6 images, making useful the 1-11 numbering system. After loading the film and advancing it quite slowly, just until the tape holding the film to the backing paper becomes visible in the little slot you've opened (by pulling the dark slide back a bit) you close the slide, set the counter to the red mark that is offset from the red number 1 and advance the film through (I think) 5 more clicks. This should leave the counter at the red 1 and the film just right for your first shot.

    Try the entire process with a sacrificial roll, one that has been ruined or exposed already. I keep really old or cheap color film rolls I get from grab-bag auction bids for just this purpose.

    I'll try to find and scan the instruction booklet for you if you'd like - just PM me with an email address.

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    adapt-a-roll 620 roll film holder

    Hello Whitey:Thanks for the info.I don't know how to PM yet so here is my email addresshotoguy@hdcanada.com.

    Doug

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    adapt-a-roll 620 roll film holder

    Hi again Whitey:For some reason a smiley face has appeared over my email address so here it is againhotoguy@hdcanada.com.

    Doug

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    Hi all. I hope no one minds me reviving a 2 year old thread.

    Does anyone know where I can find a 2x3 Adapt-A-Roll 620? I need one for a rebuild of a Kodak No. 1 Premoette Jr that originally shot 520 pack film (2 1/4 x 3 1/4). Any help is greatly appreciated.
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    Francesco, I see that you're posting questions about AARs all over the place. I think you don't understand what you're trying to do.

    For the fair dinkum on AARs, visit www.graflex.org and read the FAQ. I wrote it, I'm not going to type it again.

    I don't believe you can use an AAR on a Premoette but could be mistaken. The AAR slides into a large format camera's back like a standard sheet film holder. If your Premoette will accept standard sheet film holders, you can use an AAR made for a 2x3 camera with it. But I've had two Premo #12s -- also 2x3 cameras -- that accepted only pack film and non-standard sheet film holders. Check whether an AAR for 2x3 will do what you need before buying one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    Francesco, I see that you're posting questions about AARs all over the place. I think you don't understand what you're trying to do.

    For the fair dinkum on AARs, visit www.graflex.org and read the FAQ. I wrote it, I'm not going to type it again.

    I don't believe you can use an AAR on a Premoette but could be mistaken. The AAR slides into a large format camera's back like a standard sheet film holder. If your Premoette will accept standard sheet film holders, you can use an AAR made for a 2x3 camera with it. But I've had two Premo #12s -- also 2x3 cameras -- that accepted only pack film and non-standard sheet film holders. Check whether an AAR for 2x3 will do what you need before buying one.
    Dan, yes thats me posting questions all over the place, after all thats how you find answers. Thanks for the response and the link. I've already read it, quite informative. It was actually one of the first articles I read on the AAR and I almost emailed you at the address listed at the bottom of the page to inquire further but I found my answers and didnt need to.

    Anyway, I'm actually quite aware of what I'm trying to do. From what I understand (and of course I cant confirm this until I try it) Adapt-A-Rolls for 2x3 cameras do indeed fit the Premoette Jr. but I believe that it may require some small modifications to be a perfect fit. The AARs are narrower (just by a small amount) then many other available 2x3 roll film holders such as the graflex holders for 2x3 and others brands of holders. My issue is that I don't want to modify the camera at all so I need to find a happy medium that will allow me to shoot with the camera. If that means sheet film then so be it. Either way, I think I have as much information on the use of Adapt-A-Rolls for this purpose as I am going to get so if I find one for cheap I'll pick it up and give it a try and if it doesn't work then I'll just use it on another camera done the line.
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    Francesco, the issue isn't width, it is how the holder is held to the camera. The Premo 12 accepts holders with thin lips on each side that fit into grooves on each side of the camera's back. The AAR doesn't have the lips, must be held in place by a spring loaded focusing panel.

    Simple test. If the Premoette's focusing panel slides out, you can use an AAR on it. If the Premoette's focusing panel is permanently attached by two springs then you can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    Francesco, the issue isn't width, it is how the holder is held to the camera. The Premo 12 accepts holders with thin lips on each side that fit into grooves on each side of the camera's back. The AAR doesn't have the lips, must be held in place by a spring loaded focusing panel.

    Simple test. If the Premoette's focusing panel slides out, you can use an AAR on it. If the Premoette's focusing panel is permanently attached by two springs then you can't.
    I hear what you're saying about how the AAR is intended to be held to the camera via spring loaded back but that does not mean that its the only way to attach it to the camera. Its like anything else, with a little ingenuity you can make many things that don't seemingly fit work quite well. Now I've personally seen roll a film holders that was basically clones of the AAR fit into the backs of a camera with very similar construction to the Premoette Jr. by sliding into the back of the camera exactly where the pack film was intended to go. I briefly met a guy who worked in a camera shop in Ohio a few years back who pulled this off with a larger variation of the Premo series (maybe the senior model, it was bigger then the Jr.). This would all be a lot easier if I actually knew the guy and could contact him to ask him how he did it. Anyway, the camera was larger then the Premoete Jr. and I believe he actually used the 4x5 AAR but it fit. He did need to remove the back door of the camera as with the AAR attached it of course did not close. For all I know he may have modified the AAR as well. Now I have no idea if or how he modified the camera to ensure that focusing was correct and that the camera was light tight but it did work by sliding into the back (and was not held in place by tension springs or a focusing back) and it took great pictures.

    Now I understand he used a different camera and I believe a different size (and possibly modified) AAR all with different dimensions but what I do know is that the camera was of the same make and overall design (all Kodak Premo-series cameras were basically the same design just different sizes and dimensions) and he made this work. Remembering seeing this done is what started me on this idea with the Premoette Jr. in the first place. So we do know that although the AAR is designed to operate and be held in place a certain way that is not the only way that it can work. This entire discussion is about making something work in a way that it was not intended to and its based on past evidence that similar components of the same make can indeed operate outside of how they were designed so lets not work ourselves into a box. Its an experiment so we need to think outside of the intended operation of the components we're working with and if it works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't but after the fact at least we would have tried, learned, and we would know for sure.

    I hope I don't sound snappy because I've learned a lot from materials that you've produced and I appreciate that but the point is that the original design intentions of the AAR (or anything else for that matter within the realm of experimentation) don't matter. Until I can find a 2x3 AAR I'll be replacing the bellows and cleaning up the camera and I'll probably set it up with some sheet film so I can shoot with it but if I do find the AAR I'll at least be able to let you and anyone else curious about this know if it works without excessive modification or not. I'll probably stop there because like I said I have no intention to chop up the Premoette Jr (unless I find a junker to experiment on).
    Francesco Fragomeni
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    I'm not sure, Francesco, but I may have one. I used to have one, several moves ago, and I can't imagine giving it away, but who knows? When things get confusing enough... There have been several years of major confusion.

    I will put it in my mind to look next time I go over to the garage where I have a lot of stuff stored. If you don't hear from me within two or three weeks, rattle my cage with a pm. NO GUARANTEES!

    Larry

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowzart View Post
    I'm not sure, Francesco, but I may have one. I used to have one, several moves ago, and I can't imagine giving it away, but who knows? When things get confusing enough... There have been several years of major confusion.

    I will put it in my mind to look next time I go over to the garage where I have a lot of stuff stored. If you don't hear from me within two or three weeks, rattle my cage with a pm. NO GUARANTEES!

    Larry
    Much appreciated! I'd love to get this figured out. If I don't hear from you in a few weeks I will rattle!
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