Best 9x12 folding plate camera to start

[Soeren]

Thanks Ian.
I was getting a bit woried

[Ole]

The plane of focus won't be any different because the plate or film emulsion rest against the same guides. The adaptor is there to ensure the film lies flat and is pressed against those guides.

Ian.

No Ian, the film emulsion will be 0.3mm farther back than the plate emulsion when using film sheath inserts.

The adapter is there to hold the film flat and in place, but the folded-over edges mean that the emulsion is offset by 0.3mm.

[Soeren]

So will I have to recalibrate the ground glass for what Ill be using in the camera?
Kind regards

[Mark Layne]

Thanks, I've had some emails & PM's asking about Zeiss code numbers, so I gave a link tom some Zeiss catalogues.

Am I right in thinking that the Ideal takes different holders to the Maximar ? My guess is that the Ikon model range is derived from models from the companies who formed Zeiss Ikon, and the holder type differ for taht reason.

I may have some film holders to swap, I have a number that don't fit any of my 9x12 cameras,as well as a Rollex back. As far as I can see they fit Maximar's.

Ian

Ian
The Ideal takes special clip on holders, the Maximar takes the common slide in holder that also fits Bergheils etc.
The Juwels, Favorites, Tropicas take special double sided clip on holders.
My 9x12 Juwel came with a Zeiss made adapter to take the common slide in holders.
There is also the American made Mica slide in back which takes standard 3.25x4.25 double sided American holders

Mark

[Mark Layne]

No Ian, the film emulsion will be 0.3mm farther back than the plate emulsion when using film sheath inserts.

The adapter is there to hold the film flat and in place, but the folded-over edges mean that the emulsion is offset by 0.3mm.

Most of the adapters I have are designed to let the film pop forward to the correct plane when the dark slide is removed, but I wouldn't recommend using any of these things without focusing.

If anyone knows of a 10x15 Favorit for sale please let me know. I have the folders and the film but not the camera to use it
Mark

[Ian Grant]

Not really necessary because at f4.5 a 135mm lens has a DOF of 0.9 metres focussed at 5 metres, and the 0.3 shift equates to 6 centimetres at 5 metres, so it's not particularly significant. (I used DOF calculations for 6x9 film). Once you stop down to f5.6 or f8 it's totally irrelevant.

If you were doing extreme close up's then the shift would be relevant.

Ian

[gandolfi]

just saw this thread..

Today I just got a Bergheil 9x12 in a beautiful condition!!

as the image show, it came with the Heliar 13.5cm - 6 plateholders and 6 different filters/push on lenses. (yellow - green/yellow - orange, and a wide angle push on lens and a tele push on lens + a little diffusion disk...)

and all in the original, very well kept leather box.

fantastic condition for the price (all in all ca 200€ or 300$)

when looking at the cassettes, I noticed that 4 of then is with the 6x9 inlay - not 9x12.., but Stine has an ols Linhof technicaIII, and the old cassettes (inlays) fit perfectly in the Bergheil cassettes! Problem solved!

the camera is with interchangeble lenses, so I can't wait to try this out.
Of course with the Heliar, but also with my new Dynar and other small lenses..

I am a happy man today - and so are Stine (not a man though..) as the lens can be directly fitted on her Linhof

[JPD]

Today I just got a Bergheil 9x12 in a beautiful condition!!

Nice Bergheil. I bought one last month, also in excellent condition.

[Soeren]

just saw this thread..

Today I just got a Bergheil 9x12 in a beautiful condition!!

as the image show, it came with the Heliar 13.5cm - 6 plateholders and 6 different filters/push on lenses. (yellow - green/yellow - orange, and a wide angle push on lens and a tele push on lens + a little diffusion disk...)

and all in the original, very well kept leather box.

fantastic condition for the price (all in all ca 200€ or 300$)

when looking at the cassettes, I noticed that 4 of then is with the 6x9 inlay - not 9x12.., but Stine has an ols Linhof technicaIII, and the old cassettes (inlays) fit perfectly in the Bergheil cassettes! Problem solved!

the camera is with interchangeble lenses, so I can't wait to try this out.
Of course with the Heliar, but also with my new Dynar and other small lenses..

I am a happy man today - and so are Stine (not a man though..) as the lens can be directly fitted on her Linhof

Con gratulations Emil. So it was you who bought that one I envy you.
I should learn to keep my mouth shut Sorry for infecting you with that bug at the APUG meeting in Vrå. Thanks for a nice weekend BTW. Have you tried it out yet?
Kind regards

[P C Headland]

just saw this thread..

Today I just got a Bergheil 9x12 in a beautiful condition!!
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Nice looking camera! Can't wait to see some pictures from it.