Switch to English Language Passer en langue française Omschakelen naar Nederlandse Taal Wechseln Sie zu deutschen Sprache Passa alla lingua italiana
Members: 70,276   Posts: 1,534,786   Online: 821
      
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 18
  1. #1

    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Naestved, DK
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    2,333

    Packfilm holder for Voigtländer Bergheil

    May not be the exact right forum but since the Bergheil was original a plate camera Ill post it here.
    Does any one know anything about the Voigtländer packfilm holder?
    When was it introduced and how does it work?
    Kind regards
    Send from my Electronic Data Management Device using TWOFingerTexting

    Technology distinquishable from magic is insufficiently developed

    Søren Nielsen
    Denmark

  2. #2
    Ian Grant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    West Midlands, UK, and Turkey
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    16,240
    Images
    148
    There were various fit 9x12 Pack film holder, they must have been introduced in the 1920's (Perhaps earlier) as the 1930 adverts for Patent Etui's mention they take plates, film packs and roll-film holders.

    The holders themselves are very simple, similar to 5x4 film pack holders, there's a couple of patents that show how the packs themselves work, I have a PDF somewhere. Unfortunately no company has made film packs for quite a number of years.

    Ian

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Naestved, DK
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    2,333
    So one need films in packs like readyloads or Polaroid packs. Is it possible to DIY something usable?
    Damn seems like Im in the market for some Voigtländer plate/cutfilmholders
    Kind regards
    Send from my Electronic Data Management Device using TWOFingerTexting

    Technology distinquishable from magic is insufficiently developed

    Søren Nielsen
    Denmark

  4. #4
    Ian Grant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    West Midlands, UK, and Turkey
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    16,240
    Images
    148
    The packs were quite different to Fuji Ready loads or Polaroid, the exposed sheet of film is returned to the pack after exposure. The DIY load yourself equivalent is the Grafmatic film backs.

    Ian

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Naestved, DK
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    2,333
    The grafmatic??
    Kind regards
    Send from my Electronic Data Management Device using TWOFingerTexting

    Technology distinquishable from magic is insufficiently developed

    Søren Nielsen
    Denmark

  6. #6
    Ian Grant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    West Midlands, UK, and Turkey
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    16,240
    Images
    148
    Grafmatics are film packs with metal septums that hold each dheet of film. Unfortunately not made in 9x12 though.

    Ian

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Naestved, DK
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    2,333
    Yeah I know. Gotta find me some plateholders and sheaths then.
    Kind regards
    Send from my Electronic Data Management Device using TWOFingerTexting

    Technology distinquishable from magic is insufficiently developed

    Søren Nielsen
    Denmark

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    861
    In theory, you could get 9x12 film, find some old filmpack parts, and assemble them. However, I think you might find that lots of film gets destroyed in the process. Perhaps just some 9x12 film holders, and use your Bergheil one sheet of film at a time?

    I also have a 9x12 Bergheil. When I got it there was a glass plate holder (I think) and an adapter to use 4x5 film. I don't know if the 4x5 film holder adapter was a common accessory, but you might try finding one of those, because it will fit modern 4x5 holders and film.



    You can see many more images of my Bergheil at http://www.gordonmoat.com/Bergheil/ and see the adapter. I included the Shen-Hao as a comparison in size, because the Bergheil is really small compared to a modern 4x5.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat Photography

  9. #9
    Ole
    Ole is offline
    Ole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Bergen, Norway
    Shooter
    Large Format
    Posts
    9,281
    Blog Entries
    1
    Images
    31
    I use my Bergheil(s) with plate holders and sheaths. Or RADA rollfilm backs.

    Or even packfilm holders - I have a few old packs left. And a couple of packs of glass plates.
    -- Ole Tjugen, Luddite Elitist
    Norway

  10. #10
    Ian Grant's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    West Midlands, UK, and Turkey
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    16,240
    Images
    148
    Gordon, didn't you manage to sell that Voightlander !!!

    There are inserts for all 9x12 plate holders to take film, they do come up for sale on ebay and Ole posted a link to a site selling them (I never had a reply to my email).

    There were adaptors made in the US to adapt a 9x12 to take modern 5x4 double darkslides, this has to include a new focus screen as the film plane is shifted back from the original. There is reprted to be a semi-retired camera repairman in the US who still makes these adaptors.

    Søren, you're in the right part of the world to find plate holders, search ebay.de remember your Logon details are the same for any Ebay site.

    The plate holder film conversion insert is just a simple piece of black painted metal with edge folds to hold the film and I plan to make my own on my next trip back to the UK.

    Ian

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast


 

APUG PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Contact Us  |  Support Us!  |  Advertise  |  Site Terms  |  Archive  —   Search  |  Mobile Device Access  |  RSS  |  Facebook  |  Linkedin