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    Quote Originally Posted by naturephoto1
    Cate,

    I still do not like it. The woman herself might be interesting. Generally, for full length figure work of people, I personally prefer verticals since people tend to be vertical. Additionally, you may like the rickety fence. I find it distracting and 3 rungs appears to "grow" out of the top and sides of the woman's head. Additionally, as I stated, I find the woman running down the center for almost the width of the image unappealing to me.

    No it is not orderly, I just am of the opinion that the image could have been taken to make the whole more interesting.

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    Not being confrontational, but I do think that was the intent, to make you dislike it and be uncomfortable. Not all art is about enjoyment and comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kino
    Not being confrontational, but I do think that was the intent, to make you dislike it and be uncomfortable. Not all art is about enjoyment and comfort.

    Frank
    Frank,

    No problem, I do not take this as being confrontational. I am quite aware that not all art is supposed to be enjoyable and comfortable. You may be correct that Eggleston's intent was to compose the image so that at least some, including myself would dislike it and be uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naturephoto1
    Frank,

    No problem, I do not take this as being confrontational. I am quite aware that not all art is supposed to be enjoyable and comfortable. You may be correct that Eggleston's intent was to compose the image so that at least some, including myself would dislike it and be uncomfortable.

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    Michael brought up an interesting point - at the time, presenting this type of image would have been quite something. It is important to understand the setting at the time the artwork was created. Understanding how 'things were' - for lack of a better term - when a piece was created has a lot to do with helping to interpret it. Interpreting something using todays standards but that was created at a time when it was revolutionary or controversial does not allow for proper understanding of the work. Thanks for mentioning that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Chinn
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    Interesting post. At one time I did dismiss work like his as to simple and banal (the snapshot ethic as you so aptly put it). But maybe as I get older or just more interested in color work I find it more and more interesting. I guess maybe for this particular image it is more about the textures and variations as Suzanne pointed out.

    I would just add that all that texture, to me, is a foundation for the "fiction", a la Faulkner, one can create around the woman in the photograph. Also, her body language, the cigarette, her glasses and expression. What is the texture of her life? This is a provacative photograph despite it's snapshot banality.

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    "I would consider this to be a flaw as I stated above: 3 rungs of the fence appear to "grow" out of the top and sides of the woman's head."

    Of course, considering Eggleston's statement about the design of the Confederate flag, that is another subtle confirmation. Lines emanating from a central source mimics that design.

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    The thing about Eggleston, for me, is that you take the picture in one gulp, swallowing it whole.

    The notion of 'intuition', vs analysis, depends on this. Intuition is the process of reading a scene in one chunk, rather than bit by bit, analytically.

    Intuitively, one proceeds from the general to the specific,
    Analytically, one goes from the details to the general.

    Partly, this is a matter of personal temperament, how one is wired.
    Partly, it is determined by the job at hand.

    An all star short stop does not pull out a pencil to determine the calculus of a ground ball. He reacts, based upon the the humidity, density of the grass, the velocity of the pitch, and so on. This is INTUITION.

    Eggs' picture doesn't read easily if one tries to add it up. But if it's grokked (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok), you see it as a musician plays by ear, and it comes alive. (Gestalt is the same thing)

    I was troubled by his work when I first encountered his pictures in the '70s. In time, I managed to shed the 'predjudice of analysis' and found that I responded to his pictures emotionally, rather than intellectually. It was a big deal. In the same way my B&W work changed when I began to seek out LIGHT rather than IDEAS or COMPOSITIONS, my color work changed when I sought out COLOR to photograph.

    Haas, Kane, Porter were interesting to me at the start. This was the late '60s, early '70s, and there was a still a thrill to get color in an image. Pure white was still hard to do, and brilliant color was a remarkable thing. "If you can't make it good, make it red" was the editor's mantra.

    Eggleston blew that all out of the water for me, and I realized that nearly every color image up till then that I liked would have been a good B&W picture. Eggs was the first photographer to make images that depended upon the color. There have been precious few color shooters to manage to actually SHOOT COLOR: commonly, it is simply a black and white picture made on color film. Eggleston is still disturbing, because there have been so few GOOD color photographs, and Eggleston still succeeds.

    It's tempting to make an allegory - the woman blends into her landscape, kind of forlorn and tired. Her dress, neatly contained within the glider's cushion, stands out demurely - Eggs lets the colors contrast each other, but she is still framed within her setting. She is in her place, at ease with her cigarette.

    Only her head and legs break out of her social frame. A vitality from a mature woman in an exhauseted society ? Who knows.

    It'll be nice to let the subconscious work on this for a few days,
    to listen to it.

    Thanks, Jim
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    and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"

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    Quote Originally Posted by naturephoto1
    Michael,

    I would consider this to be a flaw as I stated above: 3 rungs of the fence appear to "grow" out of the top and sides of the woman's head.

    Rich
    No more of a flaw than the feathers being ruffled on a bird !

    We have to GET PAST the camera-club-criticism that gives images demerits for breaking some 'rule'. Academic art was dead by 1830.
    Photography HAS to catch up.

    Instead, accept what the photographer did.
    Assume that he knew what he was doing,
    and let the picture work on you.

    Judgementalism is a dead end,
    for the viewer,
    and the photographer.

    A pristine composition is fine for something, chaos suitable for another.
    But please let the Photographer make that decision.

    .
    "One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid,
    and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"

    -Bertrand Russell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanne Revy
    I would just add that all that texture, to me, is a foundation for the "fiction", a la Faulkner, one can create around the woman in the photograph. Also, her body language, the cigarette, her glasses and expression. What is the texture of her life? This is a provacative photograph despite it's snapshot banality.
    Point well made. This is why these threads are so addictive - they help me open my vision further. I did wonder about the woman, who is she, what lead to this point, etc., but it was not enough to 'grab me' like some other photos. Now that you have presented a somewhat different view than mine, I can see a bit more possibility that before. Thanks!

    - Randy

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    Quote Originally Posted by naturephoto1
    Michael,

    I would consider this to be a flaw as I stated above: 3 rungs of the fence appear to "grow" out of the top and sides of the woman's head.

    Rich

    every photograph is about how things appear to be. Not how they really are.

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