Switch to English Language Passer en langue française Omschakelen naar Nederlandse Taal Wechseln Sie zu deutschen Sprache Passa alla lingua italiana
Members: 70,540   Posts: 1,544,295   Online: 889
      
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 20
  1. #1
    SuzanneR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    5,735
    Images
    139

    Discuss a Gertrude Kaesebier Photograph

    I've been wanting to start a thread about her, but there are very few good scans of her work on the web, so I have scanned a couple from a book, which may be ethically a little dubious, and apologies for the slightly crooked scan.

    Anyway, Kaesebier was a member of the photo-secessionists, and her work is very much of her time, and despite the very painterly and romantic feel of her work, I have always found her sitters to look very modern, and engaged; they are somehow not romanticized or idealized. Especially her portraits of American Indians.

    The first is titled Portrait (Miss N) and the second is titled Red Man. I'd love to hear other's opinions on these two portraits.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails kasebier.jpg   kasebier2.jpg  
    Last edited by SuzanneR; 11-04-2006 at 11:56 AM. Click to view previous post history.

  2. #2
    blansky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Wine country in Northern California
    Posts
    5,029
    Interesting.

    Is the head cropping yours or hers.

    Michael
    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

  3. #3
    SuzanneR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    5,735
    Images
    139
    Hers...

  4. #4
    juan's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    St. Simons Island, Georgia
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    1,641
    Images
    4
    I find these very interesting - I'm going to look for more of her work. The models are engaged.

    As for ethics, I don't believe there is anything wrong with what you've done for a thread like this, which is educational for those of us you actually read the comments.
    juan

  5. #5
    Chazzy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    South Bend, IN, USA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    2,854
    Images
    5
    I've always loved that portrait of Evelyn Nesbit. It makes it a little easier to understand how a murder could be committed over her. It's too bad that modernism became a sort of dogmatic orthodoxy for photography and that the Pictorialists were almost written out of the history books by modernist allies like Beaumont Newhall. Reading his history one would conclude that Pictorialism was an aberration foisted upon us by people whose aesthetic was simply that photographs had to "look like paintings," and that it died completely after about 1925--all of which is patently false. Fortunately recent work has begun to correct the record--especially Christian Petersen's book on Pictorialism after the Photo-Secession.

  6. #6
    bruce terry's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Cape Fear NC
    Shooter
    35mm RF
    Posts
    190
    What a nice surprise Suzanne! Something from the beginning of the last century but as you point out very modern and unpostured.

    There are a few 'old' portrait photographs - had I the pleasure of great wealth - that I would find, buy and display, and Miss N, the moment I enlarged your book-scanned image would be one of about four. Like all stuff this far back, the original must be drop-dead-arresting.

    I find 'Miss N' absolutely fascinating: the placement of her shoulders against the headboard of a bed for goodness sake, the gripped little pitcher resting lazily at the bottom of the image, her right hand slightly tense - impatiently claw-ish rather than submisively draped, her cocked head, eyes askew not of shyness but of attitude, dark locks fluffed down over her chest, bodice and sleeves suggestively slid-down a little but maybe not, the loose-but-telling material across her breasts so straightforwardly telling what ls beneath. Such naturalness in this picture, such a compliment to a female!

    'Red Man' is a magnificent and haunting composition in every possible way but Miss N has stolen my objectivity, my heart actually.

    Thanks so much for the thread.

    Bruce

  7. #7
    bruce terry's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Cape Fear NC
    Shooter
    35mm RF
    Posts
    190
    So now Chazzy tells me there have been 'others' besides me.

  8. #8
    SuzanneR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    5,735
    Images
    139
    Quote Originally Posted by Chazzy View Post
    I've always loved that portrait of Evelyn Nesbit. It makes it a little easier to understand how a murder could be committed over her. It's too bad that modernism became a sort of dogmatic orthodoxy for photography and that the Pictorialists were almost written out of the history books by modernist allies like Beaumont Newhall. Reading his history one would conclude that Pictorialism was an aberration foisted upon us by people whose aesthetic was simply that photographs had to "look like paintings," and that it died completely after about 1925--all of which is patently false. Fortunately recent work has begun to correct the record--especially Christian Petersen's book on Pictorialism after the Photo-Secession.
    Other than finding her portrait one of the most seductive of the early part of the century, I don't know anything else about Miss Nesbitt. Can you share the story of this murder you mention?

    And thanks for the book reference, I'll have to look it up.

    Also, for everyone's information, both portraits are dated 1902.

  9. #9

    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Hamilton, Ont, Canada
    Shooter
    Large Format
    Posts
    1,022
    Quote Originally Posted by Chazzy View Post
    I've always loved that portrait of Evelyn Nesbit. It makes it a little easier to understand how a murder could be committed over her. It's too bad that modernism became a sort of dogmatic orthodoxy for photography and that the Pictorialists were almost written out of the history books by modernist allies like Beaumont Newhall. Reading his history one would conclude that Pictorialism was an aberration foisted upon us by people whose aesthetic was simply that photographs had to "look like paintings," and that it died completely after about 1925--all of which is patently false. Fortunately recent work has begun to correct the record--especially Christian Petersen's book on Pictorialism after the Photo-Secession.
    I suspect that pictoralism slumbered in the hearts of camera clubs all over the continent and with the connivance of the photoshop empire will reign supreme again and put those limiting qualities of the old photography in their place.

  10. #10

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    La Plata, Missouri
    Shooter
    Large Format
    Posts
    869
    Images
    3
    I remember Ms Nesbitt the best from the movie 'Ragtime'. Elizabeth McGovern probably studied that photo to get the sense of her, and I'm sure the makeup people must have studied it as well. The Stanford White murder was all the rage back then...

    http://imdb.com/title/tt0082970/

    Cheers,
    Richard

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast


 

APUG PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Contact Us  |  Support Us!  |  Advertise  |  Site Terms  |  Archive  —   Search  |  Mobile Device Access  |  RSS  |  Facebook  |  Linkedin