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    What I like about it is that the model has texture and contours. I like the bent wrist, which echoes the contortion of the whole form.

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    Weston's headless nudes were made that way because it was an integral part of his composition. This emphasized the torso (much like the Venus De Milo) by eliminating the face which is the natural focal point of a picture.
    A headless nude is a ridiculous affectation. It ignores the fact that the De Milo actually had a head. Why should an accident of history become an art standard.

    Something else that is ignored is that greek/roman statues were white. They were actually painted to make them appear lifelike.

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    Come on guys. This is nice for what it is, but it is no where near the level of a Weston nude. I know that post-modern sensibilities tell us that everything has its own interpretation and that any interpretaion is valid, and that history has done Mortensen wrong (though I suspect his writings did a lot for his pocketbook while he was alive,) but come on now, this is not the same by any means.

    The primary force at work in this is sex and, especially, voyeurism. The texture of the bromoil, the strangely twisted pose, the wierd crop of the head, the little dainty fabric so strategically placed... This is all about sex. Sex and the idealized representation of the female form. Now I love sex and all, but I can't think of a singe Weston nude that is primarily about sex or voyeurism or that seeks to show the female form for anything other than what it really is. They are two completely different kinds of photographs. One honest, the other not. Apples and Cheetos. Now Cheetos are damn good and I eat way more of them than I should, but are Cheetos even really food, much less good food?

    Oh well, rant over...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will S View Post

    The primary force at work in this is sex and, especially, voyeurism.
    Hm. That's not my reaction. In my opinion Weston's nudes were more voyeuristic. However, I don't really like this example of Mortensen's. I don't like the missing head, the foreshortening of the legs, or the awkwardly twisted wrist.

    Here's a list (from the Model) of types of Nude Mortensen thought best avoided: Nujol nude (oil-covered), mal de mer nude, prudy-nudy, dislocated nude, pretzel nude, speckled nude, blubber nude, pimpled nude, hirsute nude, abraded nude, sun-burnt nude, gooseflesh nude, hippity-hop nude, seaside-sunset-silhouette nude

    "A sedate variant of this type [the hippity-hop nude] is the seaside-sunset-silhouette nude. The elements are fairly constant: one setting sun, one breaking wave, one yard of crepe de chine, one piece of seaweed, and one lightly tripping nude who is outlined against the sky and the shining sand. Sometimes she appears in a more meditative and mal de mer attitude, and sometimes the scene is enlivened by the presence of three lightly tripping nudes and three yards of crepe de chine." Model (1937) page 221.

    , crepe-de chine nude, portiere nude, Tiffany nude, Knick-Knack nude, the Emily Post nude, Ah Me Nude (also known as the 'Welt-schmertz nude')

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    Noun 1. mal de mer - motion sickness experienced while traveling on water


    Now I want to try and make a mal de mer nude! I'm lucky that my wife gets seasick easily, though I don't think she will agree to this for some reason....
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    Actually, it'd be fun to do one each of the types that Mortensen didn't like. Ok., maybe not all of them.
    Last edited by Peter De Smidt; 12-20-2006 at 12:25 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald Koch View Post
    A headless nude is a ridiculous affectation.

    One of a large collection of headless nudes by Pearlstein.

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    I happen to own both am original Weston nude, and a Mortensen print.

    Neither is better than the other. This particular example is one of the poorer Mortesen's I have seen. As someone said, it violates several of his own rules.

    The difference between a Weston and a MOrtensen is Weston was basically a straight printer who produce beautiful creamy skin tones. I keep mine in view in an attempt to print to the tones.

    On the other hand, Mortensen usually did extensieve work on his images between exposing the film and producing the final print. I have seen a couple of his test prints prior to the work on paper negatives and metalchromes and they are rather plain. Lighting was commonly flat and he corrected this with his retouching work. He was more an artist with his pencil and engravers tools than with a camera.

    Still, I will collect as many of both photographers images as I can. They are equally beautiful and desirable, just different.
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    Right Will. It is about sex, any unclothed female simply is, no matter our intellectualization. Given that, Mortensen's naked ladies are good schtick-sex but for the most part lack heart and soul and respect and are only patently humorous. I'm no student of his stuff but what I see I yawn at.

    As the universe knows, Weston was a recorder of everything including dead itinerants and totally natural, completely naked girl friends. I personally find his riveting Mexican-era Heads of Nahui Olín and Manuel Hernández Galván absolutely beyond magnificent. And when I observe the boiling emotion in those two faces his unclothed females appear strangely unsensual, so dutifully respected there is no 'heat' at all - I mean he was so connected to these women yet there is no warmth, just perfect recordings of Form. I find the neutrality amazing!

    The difference behind the two talented men to me is not in their pictures of female nakedness but in their means to the end: one was a showman who too-used female nakedness, the other was an artist who too-respected naked females. Neither ever captured the IT other well-known and not-known photographers have.

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    Bruce, I'm with you on the Nahui Olin image. In Weston's work it's second only to Pepper #30. And as a portrait I rate it right up there with Karsh's Churchill at the very top of the pile.

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