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    "I'm not a fan of hers or Meatyard; and haven't accepted snapshots as fine art"

    I was under the impression that nearly all of Sally Mans work was done with an 11X14 wet plate camera.
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    I don't care whether or not you like her work but when you dismiss her work as "snapshots" those of us that appreciate her work as far more than that, might wish to examine that dismissal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Whatever the heck happened to being allowed not to like something anymore? It's not permitted? Sorry - I didn't get the handout. Neither Sally Mann's kid photos - nor Mr. Sturges' stuff really do anything for me. The common thread is that they both seem far too 'personal' for me to enter into a dialogue with. Both, of course, in different ways.
    Precisely because they are so 'personal', they resonate with me. Different strokes... I suppose.

    Though... Sturges doesn't do it for me either. Not personal enough, somehow, and a little too much about looking and fantasizing about beautiful women.

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    Thanks for piping in, Suzanne - well, not so much that you concur with me (if only a bit) re: sturges... though I think it would be great to have some female feedback on sturges also. Let me ask you... do you feel the women's bodies represented in sturges' work are in anyway 'sexualized'? I think they are very much about voyeurism and taboo. But hey -that's me.

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    J - I KNOW that my oblique commentary on your exchange with another isn't really my business.... but I'm wondering why you care whether or not someone dismisses them as such. And - are there other artists with whom you might not have the same reaction, but who you admire equally?


    Quote Originally Posted by jstraw View Post
    I don't care whether or not you like her work but when you dismiss her work as "snapshots" those of us that appreciate her work as far more than that, might wish to examine that dismissal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    But they're too emotionally close - (mann i mean) to be art.
    Goodness - what a statement! That caught me up short, I will now return to read the rest of the thread!

    FWIW Suzanne's initial post has pretty much summed up my own views - There is only one photograph of hers I've seen that makes me uncomfortable & that is the one called 'Dirty Jessie'.

    It is amazing to me that Sally Mann's work as a whole has ever been considered 'taboo' let alone seriously controversial. At least the art world has largely (entirely?) come to accept it.

    That doesn't mean that you have to like every single shot, or that her work doesn't impel you to think through the relationship of photographer/photographed, especially with regard to intimate relationships.

    I'm very interested in her new work around 'death' - more the subject and the way she has chosen to explore it than the technical processes she uses.

    (p.s. and the posted photograph by Emmet Gowin is simply beautiful......thanks for reminding me of it)
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    Snapshot-Syle

    Do a Google search for Snapshot-style & you'll find some interesting articles such as Snapshot photography's subjective objectivity that includes statements like "ultimately what separates diarists from other photographers is their mania, their obsession for capturing each microscopic flicker of emotional resonance illuminating their own lives." and "in these incursions into private emotional lives, lurks diaristic photography's power." or "today's diaristic photography is miles away from where it was twenty-five years ago, when Goldin used her camera to hunt authentic moments of emotional intensity." Is Sally Mann a "diaristic" photographer even as she changes formats from 35mm thru 8X10 to wet-plate collodian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    Thanks for piping in, Suzanne - well, not so much that you concur with me (if only a bit) re: sturges... though I think it would be great to have some female feedback on sturges also. Let me ask you... do you feel the women's bodies represented in sturges' work are in anyway 'sexualized'? I think they are very much about voyeurism and taboo. But hey -that's me.
    Sturges, it seems to me, is about the physical... both his subjects and his prints. He's making beautiful photographs of drop dead beautiful women, crafting drop dead gorgeous prints, but it's all about a physical surface that the viewer will desire... to touch it and feel it physically. Ultimately, I find the work shallow, and once you get past the physical beauty...well, there's not much else there, really.

    Mann, I think, digs deeper into the inner world of her children and family, and there's just more "there" in her photographs. And Doug, perhaps she is a diarist... "Immediate Family" is certainly autobiographical, but she's not really employing the "snapshot" aesthetic described in the piece. Her photographs are very deliberate, where I think the snapshot aesthetic strives to be deliberately haphazard. Good read, btw, thanks for the link, Doug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuzanneR View Post
    Sturges, it seems to me, is about the physical... both his subjects and his prints. He's making beautiful photographs of drop dead beautiful women, crafting drop dead gorgeous prints, but it's all about a physical surface that the viewer will desire... to touch it and feel it physically. Ultimately, I find the work shallow, and once you get past the physical beauty...well, there's not much else there, really.
    Huh, is this a different Sturges? At least in the two books I have it`s not all about beautiful women, as an example "The last Day of Summer" there is 58 photographs, 30 of mostly fully clothed people, quite a few with adults and boys too...

    I don`t find Jocks work shallow at all..

    I may be biased as I email him time to time , and recieve boatloads of help and advice from him, but I think too many read too much into the nudity. It`s photographed in a naturist community, and sometimes you see nude people there, D`oh.!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
    J - I KNOW that my oblique commentary on your exchange with another isn't really my business.... but I'm wondering why you care whether or not someone dismisses them as such. And - are there other artists with whom you might not have the same reaction, but who you admire equally?
    I dunno. Look at the thread title. Discussing Sally Mann is what we're doing. Facile dismissals get tossed around...participation in the discussion would seem to involve examining those dismissals.
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