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    PE,
    Sorry about the dye/pigment confusion. Must have head in two different places at once. "Back in the day" I worked with pigments, not dyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Keyes View Post
    If a diffraction grating is used in the design of a recording spectrograph, then care does have to be taken to eliminate 2nd order diffractions so that they do not show up when trying to measure a 1st order diffration. The second order pattern will be at 1/2 the wavelength of the 1st order, and when trying to record wide ranges of wavelengths, it can be a big problem.

    It's not an issue if a prism is used.

    It's not an issue either if a thick (holographic) grating is used that largely suppresses higher diffraction orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hologram View Post
    It's not an issue either if a thick (holographic) grating is used that largely suppresses higher diffraction orders.
    Are you sure? diffraction orders are part of the nature of diffration gratings. It's the overlap between the 1st order and 2nd order that comes into play when trying to record a wide range of wavelengths. If you are trying to measure upto 900 nm in the IR with a 1st order diffraction, the second order diffractio for 900 nm will start to overlap at 900/2= 450 nm, which is where you are trying to record blue wavelengths.

    We don't even have to worry about 3rd and 4th order diffrations, as they will overlap starting at 300 nm and 225 nm respectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Keyes View Post
    Are you sure?
    Yes (sorry for the late reply), with a thick enough volume holographic grating you can suppress higher diffraction orders.

    To get back to AgX spectral sensitizers, here's another link: http://www.organica.de/en/Products/49,Functional_Dyes

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    03910 and 03930 look like possible candidates. Look for structures like those but with less steric hindrance.

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    Hello Ron and All,
    Recently, I have been working with an emulsion that is higher in I:Br ratio than I have worked with previously. As I have written here befor, I work with Ron's suggestion of DSA3057 (red senisitizer due to J aggrigates) and SDE 3008(green sensitizer). By total accident, I have found that the SDE3008 is acting as both a green and red sensitizer. Also the degree of sensitivity to all 3 colors is very even. There are several differences between this emulsion and what I have worked on befor. And, like all of my emulsions, it uses silane treated PVA instead of gelatin. But the latter could NOT be the reason for the accidental Red sensitivity, as I have been working with silane treated PVA emulsion almost as long as I have been working with emulsions.
    There is another R&G sensitizer , or so I am told, that I will also be trying
    I have slowed down lately and will be taking a "leave of absense" from "wet work" for 6-8 weeks due to upcoming surgery. But right now, I am taking the above emulsion, which I HAVE been able to replicate and scale up, and try to improve the coating chracteristics. As of now, containing no sufactant at all, it leaves random craters when coated onto very clean glass.
    Best of luck to you all,
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    Thanks for the update Bill. The behavior that you see is not unusual. It is probably due to Iodide concentration on the different grains, or on the absolute concentration. If it is the latter, then the sensitivity will gradually shift towards being all red if you up the concentration slightly. But, OTOH, either mechanism is ok. It really does not matter. Repeatable success is what counts.

    Best wishes on the surgery and may your recovery be swift and complete.

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    Examples

    Thanks,PE-Here are two examples. When you judge the coating quality, please remember that I am working in total darkness with only a cheap night vision monicle to see with. I cannot realy see my coating until after the fix. The glass plates were exposed at f11 for 1 and 10 seconds.
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    Thanks Bil.

    Who am I to complain. I hide all of my bad coatings in a big big box. Believe me, I know how hard it is.

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    Final Update Until June

    Hello to PE and All,
    I have compleated my last evaluation of my current batch of panchro emulsion until I have recovered from my upcoming surgery sufficiently to move around and lift things.
    My last experiment was to add O.5 M% of formalin to the the emulsion. As I have observed befor, by adding formalin to my type of emulsion, based on silane functional PVA instead of gelatin, the formalin produced two benifits. First, it caused the emulsion to coat more smoothly. The craters I observe without it are greatly reduced. Secondly, fogging is greatly reduced. I have observed the latter time after time with the type of of emulsions I am making. I do not pretend to know the reasons why. But it works. I would bet my left little toe on it. Glyoxal is more tricky. I avoid it since I once crosslinked one of my emulsions immediately upon adding the glyoxal.
    When I get back to wet work, there are 2 more things that I need to do befor I begin using this emulsion to produce in camera color seps.-A, I must reduce the alcohol precipitations from 2 to 1. My emulsion,after re-uptake in water, was too thin. So I did a second alcohol precipitation being more careful to press out and drain as much water as I possibly could. The second re-uptake required a higher temperature, giving rise to more foging. 2- I would like to replace SDE 3008 with a cheaper sensitizer. There are many green sensitizers that cost far less than $600/gram+convenience fee.
    In late May-June, I will return to this work and eventualy post the formula and procedure here.
    Bill



 

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