More on patents

[Ray Rogers]

Ray;

Thats why I need an apprentice, not that I can pay him.

PE

From some people, even that would be a step in the right direction!

[Photo Engineer]

Denise;

I'm not going to copy your post #10 but I have to say that we are not really in disagreement at all. What amuses me is that I have been downplaying the dangers of the chemistry which is an honest effort I think to dispel the doom and gloom there, and I've been making very good quality emulsions, and giving out samples of my coatings, to dispel the doom and gloom there as well.

Yes, Azo like papers and Kodabromide like papers are easy to make and within our reach. It will take a while, probably, and some money to reach far beyond that and some ISO 25 - 100 film or plate coatings.

PE

[Ray Rogers]

Well, Ron and Ray, I think this is the point we amicably agree to disagree. Is there any way you can think that newbies aren't aware of the difficulties of analog?
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Add the variables of making AgX and you got yourself a real dandy!
There are a lot easier, possibly more permanent, artistic photographic processes, as I am sure you are aware.

I just saw some electronic paper, 0.29 mm thick; fine detail, wonderful quality, reuseable AND the image remains even after the power is cut... this stuff is cool! Did I say REUSEABLE?!

Yes, dig**al is growing and undoubtably, handcrafted electronic paper will be the first alt digital process! (quote me on this!)

The fact is- if analog has no advantage to offer, people that grew up on digital will likely pass on it.

For me, the key is to identify the essence of the AgX process that cannot be duplicated digitally.

When ink cannot substitute for silver then you have a secure process.

This thread is supposed to be about patents.
Anyone know a patent that will tell me how to make that electronic paper I just saw?

[Hologram]

In a normal patent, let us say about t-grains, the patent discloses a method to make t-grains. It will work. But, this patent need not disclose the fact that a metal salt is added, such as Iridium, to improve reciprocity. It does not disclose the optimum gelatin, it does not disclose any keeping addenda, and it does not disclose the optimum sulfur + gold sensitization.

What to make about the somewhat cryptic RESEARCH DISCLOSURE, “RD”?
For example, we read:
“For details with respect to the additives, one can refer to the descriptions, e.g., in Research Disclosure, Vol. 176, Item 17643 (RD-17643), ibid., Vol. 187, Item 18716 (RD-18716), and ibid., Vol. 225, Item 22534 (RD-22534), as set forth below.”

[Ray Rogers]

What to make about the somewhat cryptic RESEARCH DISCLOSURE, “RD”?
For example, we read:
“For details with respect to the additives, one can refer to the descriptions, e.g., in Research Disclosure, Vol. 176, Item 17643 (RD-17643), ibid., Vol. 187, Item 18716 (RD-18716), and ibid., Vol. 225, Item 22534 (RD-22534), as set forth below.”

Hi "Hologram"!


Good question!
Yes... so how do we obtain inexpensive library copies of this "publication" for examination? The use of that "publication" is curious to me... Are there any copies held in any of the regular channels? Or do you have to buy each one from the publisher directly, sort of like the way "standards" are controlled?

Do they have and if so, What sort of relationship do they have with the holders of the patents?

Are they related to any patent agents, lawyers or some such?

I always wanted to dig into this but never got around to it.

BTW, I think they are published not too far from where you are, arn't they?
Or was it England?
Ha!

Ray

(I assume you know that they are "published" in Europe, and that you are to buy it directly from them, I also assume that you do infact have their address at hand but are just asking for comments... right?!)

[rmazzullo]

The research disclosures that are mentioned often are LOADED with information, and are worth getting hold of. In some cases, they have very descriptive illustrations. Others that are referenced from those, are even more telling.

Photo Engineer has about 7, IIRC, that he is author of. Maybe more.

Bob M.

[Cor]

Steve;



Nicola Tesla is reported to have built a machine that caused his lab building to collapse by "gravity waves". Now, all I can say is that history records the collapse, and the patent exists, but no one has been able to duplicate his work. Was it truth or a lie? Who knows?



PE

..PE.

A (perhaps) interesting side note on this:

http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/12/e...e_machine.html

Best,

Cor

[Photo Engineer]

Cor;

I saw that show a few weeks ago and have been thinking about patents in the back of my mind ever since.

As for Research Disclosures, yes, I have 6 or 7 and related patents in at least one case. There are also other venues for publishing research that one does not want used. This is the entire purpose.

I can do exactly what Whiteley and Wey claim using their patent, but I can better it by orders of magnitude knowing how it was put into practice at EK.

PE