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    Guys;

    Lets do this again. The cost to ME is about $25 B&W and $100 Color in small quantities. The cost to you would be more than that just so that I can break even. I spent $50 today on paper just to print copies for editing. And, some people will not buy the DVDs or vice versa, so that there is material repeated in both the book and the DVDs.

    The cost would go down if I ordered more. But then I am speculating that I can sell the larger quantity. So, in a hypothetical scenario, I can get up to 100 books for $100 each in color or go to a shop and get 1000 books for about $50 each. Either way that is a LOT of money to invest so I am looking at all aspects of this to cut costs for all of us.

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    Ron,

    What you need for starters is an accurate count of the APUGgers who will really buy the book, not the ones who say they will buy the book. That would help you estimate the size of the first printing. Maybe Ralph has ome words of wisdom on this.

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    Preorders?
    I'm in either B/W or color.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    Ron,

    What you need for starters is an accurate count of the APUGgers who will really buy the book, not the ones who say they will buy the book. That would help you estimate the size of the first printing. Maybe Ralph has ome words of wisdom on this.

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    Steve;

    I am pretty sure that it would not work unless these people prepayed.

    I am probably going to work with the same printer that did Bob's book.

    Thanks.

    PE

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    Whether we are talking about $25 vs. $100 or $50 vs $150, my argument is the same.
    Perhaps you could ask for deposits, just to discover how many cwazy emulsion makers are weally sewious.
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    I would be fine with preordering with prepayment if it happens when the book is checked and ready to be printed. I think we all understand that you need capital to be able to print it, so prepayment is fine...

    You could, for example, have a discount price for people who have preordered and prepaid, or some other kind of motivation. I think that one of the best motivations is a clause that you can guarantee the availability only for those who have preordered -- and, the more preorders, the lower price. Then, we would do our best to advertise the book among the traditional photography enthusiasts -- not only this forum. This could actually start a new boom!

    What comes to color vs. bw, I think many of us who are active on this forum are so eager about this book that the price difference wouldn't matter, but OTOH lower price would surely attract more people to buy the book, lowering the price even more, and "spreading the word" for those who are not sure enough about emulsion making but want to give it a try some day or get more information before getting too deeply involved. So, lower price would help to get rid of the "specialist" stigma of emulsion making, and spread the word among all BW film hobbyists, making emulsion experimenting comparable to home darkroom printing etc.

    Anyway, it's so nice to see we are so close that we discuss the actual printing! Congratulations for the hard work!

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    It sounds like it's time for you to establish a simple webpage promoting the book and etc and accepting prepayments. You can make it clear that you'll be able to start printing the books as soon as you reach 'X' prepayments. A running tally of orders would be fun to watch. Count me in as #1 when it's set up.

    I'm absolutely delighted for you. You've been at this project for a long time. I'm guessing it feels a little surreal to be getting this close. For what it's worth, you have a lot of fans and friends cheering from the bleachers. Our best to you.
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    Well, the book could be a download. I'm considering that. Then you could order it via APUG! Listening in Sean?

    I could zip it and reduce the size from about 60M to something uploadable. The DVDs though would have to be sent via mail I would think due to the huge file sizes.

    Version VI just finished printing out to go to my friends for editing!

    PE

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    Ron,
    In considering making the book a download,the quality of the printing that you are considering vs. home printing should be considered. Since you are pondering B&W vs. Color, I will assume that the quality of the illustrations is important. In that case, home printing on an a consumer grade ink jet printer might be not OK.
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    Bill;

    I am only printing this for my own editing and for friends to edit and mark up.

    As for the images, they are as high a quality as I can make them except for a few hand drawn graphs which I hope to improve before finalizing things. Viewed on-screen, the image quality is excellent and with a good printer, as Bob used, the book should be quite striking for quality.

    I have opted for single column with nearly full width photos which currently run about 5" wide so that detail can be seen.

    Thanks.

    PE

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