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    Third patent is older and filed at 1926 and issued at 1931. Number is 1807809

    http://www.google.com/patents?id=fLN...page&q&f=false

    Its Composition of Imbibition Printing

    Patent discuss about using sulfonic acid dyes instead of acid dyes , and it writes sulfonic acid dyes are gelatin penetrating dyes.

    This is related my 1920s Kodachrome Two Color Movie Film research and I havent had able to find the Kodak Capstaff Two Color patent sulfonic acid dyes formulas.

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum205/...lm-patent.html

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum205/...k-process.html

    RED
    Fast red S Conc. sodium salt of 4 sulfo-alpha-naphtalene azo-B-naphtol
    color index 176 (%3 egg treated solution)
    10000 cc

    Acid Magenta B N Color Index 692 Schultz 524
    Triphenylmethane and diphenylnaphtylmethane colouring matter.
    A mixture of sodium and ammonium salts of the di and tri sulphonic acids of pararosalinine and rosalinine.
    Component Magenta (677) and sulphonate C20H17N3O9S3Na2( %6 solution egg treated )

    % 25..............4500 cc

    Metanil yellow , sodium salt of M Sulfo Benzene Azo diphenyl amine color index 138

    % 1.................30 grams

    Glacial acetic acid % 5.............900 cc

    Made up to 18000 cc with water

    GREEN

    Wool Green S , Sodium salt of tetra methyl di amono di phenyl B hydroxy naphty carbiuol di sulfonic
    acid anhydride , color index 737 (% 4.5 egg treated)

    .....................6000 cc

    Metanil yellow , Sodium salt of m sulfo benzene azo di phenyl azoine
    color index 138

    .......................22 grams

    Glacial acetic acid
    ...............600 cc

    Made up to 18000 cc with water

    Umut
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    I will report of my finding for above chemicals.

    FIRST , for RED , first chemical was
    Fast red S Conc. sodium salt of 4 sulfo-alpha-naphtalene azo-B-naphtol
    color index 176


    Here is the finding and CAS Number for it.

    VOL.: 8 (1975) (p. 83)
    CAS No.: 3567-69-9
    Chem. Abstr. Name: 4-Hydroxy-3[(4-sulfo-1-naphthalenyl)azo]-1-
    naphthalenesulfonic acid, disodium salt
    5. Summary of Data Reported and Evaluation
    5.1 Animal carcinogenicity data
    Carmoisine was tested in mice and rats by the oral and subcutaneous routes. The test by the oral route in
    mice was negative. The other studies could not be evaluated because of the small numbers of animals used.
    5.2 Human carcinogenicity data
    No case reports or epidemiological studies were available to the Working Group.
    Subsequent evaluation: Suppl. 7 (1987) (p. 59: Group 3)
    For definition of Groups, see Preamble Evaluation.
    Synonyms
    l Acetacid red B
    l Acid brilliant rubine A2G conc.
    l Acid brilliant rubine 2G
    l Acid brilliant rubine 2GT
    l Acid chrome Blue BA
    l Acid fast red FB
    l Acid red 2C
    l Acid rubine
    l Acid rubine extra
    l Airedale carmoisine
    l Amacid carmoisine B
    l Amacid chrome Blue R
    l Atul acid crystal red
    l Atul crystal red F
    l Azorubin
    l Azorubine
    l Azo rubine
    l Azorubin S
    l Brasilan azo rubine 2NS
    l Brilliant acid rubine M
    l Brilliant carmoisine
    l Brilliant crimson red
    l Brilliant crimson 2R.FQ
    l Bucacid azo rubine
    l Calcocid rubine XX
    l Carmoisine aluminium lake
    l Carmoisine BA
    l Certicol carmoisine S
    l Chrome fast Blue 2R
    l Chromotrope FB
    l Chromotrop FB
    l C.I. Acid Red 14
    l C.I. Acid Red 14, disodium salt
    l C.I. Food Red 3
    l Cilefa rubine R
    l Crimson EMBL
    l Crimson 2EMBL
    l Diadem chrome Blue G
    l Diadem chrome Blue R
    l Disodium 2-(4-sulfo-1-naphthylazo)-1-naphthol-4-sufonate
    l Edicol supra carmoisine W
    l Edicol supra carmoisine WS
    l Eniacid brilliant rubine 3B
    l Erio rubine B
    l Eurocert azorubine
    l Ext. D and C red No. 10
    l Extract D and C red No. 10
    l Fenazo red C
    l Food red 3
    l Food red 5
    l Fruit Red A extra yellowish geigy
    l HD carmoisine
    l Hexacol carmoisine
    l Hexacol carmoisine conc.
    l Hidacid azo rubine
    l Hispacid rubine F
    l 4-Hydroxy-3,4'-azodi-1-naphthalenesulfonic acid, disodium salt
    l Java rubine N
    l Karmesin
    l Kenachrome Blue 2R
    l Kiton crimson 2R
    l Kiton rubine R
    l Lighthouse chrome Blue 2R
    l L. Red Z 3040
    l Nacarat
    l Nacarat A-CE
    l Nacarat A export
    l Nacarat extra pure A
    l Necklacid azorubine W
    l Necklacid rubine W
    l Nylomine acid red P4B
    l Omega chrome Blue FB
    l Poloxal red 2B
    l Pontacyl rubine R
    l 11954 Red
    l Solar rubine
    l Solochrome Blue FB
    l Standacol carmoisine
    l 2-(4-Sulfo-1-naphthylazo)-1-naphthol-4-sulfonic acid, disodium salt
    l Tertracid red CA
    l Tertrochrome Blue FB
    Last updated: 19 March 1998

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    Ron ,

    Is this the chemical described at RED , as first chemical ?


    214515
    Aldrich Chromotrope FB
    Dye content 50 %
    Price and Availability 62 dollarsProduct
    Number Availability Your Price
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    214515-50G In Stock
    Availability details for 214515-50G

    Enter Quantity: Check Availability1 ships on 11/25/10 from MILWAUKEE
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    Ships on 11/25/10 62.50
    Synonym: Acid Red 14, Mordant Blue 79, Disodium 4-hydroxy-3-[(4-sulfo-1-naphthalenyl)azo]-1-naphthalenesulfonate
    CAS Number: 3567-69-9
    Empirical Formula (Hill Notation): C20H12N2Na2O7S2
    Molecular Weight: 502.43
    Colour Index Number: 14720
    EC Number: 222-657-4
    MDL number: MFCD00003978
    PubChem Substance ID: 24852839

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    Ah, the bitter taste of cut & paste!


    hummm ok
    Mustafa, while you are at it, did you find any info on dyes called
    Darkroom Red, Darkroom Green,
    or
    patent Red, patent Blue or patent Green?

    Funny names for the obstruction of their hidden true identity....

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    Are you making cookies again?

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    Important Notice : I am not sure about the correctness of my last two posts. I learned that COLOR INDEX NUMBERS are the ONLY trustable source. Researching by Color Index Numbers requires to subscribe the dye , pigment information source websites.
    So dont trust my last two posts quickly. I did google them and not able to find open free source book published later than 1940 and they are at www.archive.org

    Umut

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    Are you making cookies again?
    Yes, naturally.

    How did you guess?

    Actually Finnish rolls with Buttered Eyes are first up.

    as far as CI numbers and dyes in general, yea, its quite a mess
    if you don't have the right key.

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    Ah! I've always been really interested with the Technicolor process. This is some fascinating information you're digging up here Mustafa Umut Sarac!

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    Fast red S Conc. sodium salt of 4 sulfo-alpha-naphtalene azo-B-naphtol
    color index 176 (%3 egg treated solution)


    PR176 Benzimidazolone Carmine Alizarin Crimson (hue) [LK];
    Benzimidazolone Carmine;
    Benzimidazolone HF3C;
    Carmine (hue) [DS.w | RT.o.wo];
    Carmine Lake (hue) [CH];
    C.I. Pigment Red 176;
    Fast Carmine;
    Mayan Carmine (hue) [GU];
    Permanent Alizarin Crimson [WN.g];
    Permanent Carmine HF3C;
    Pigment Red 176;
    Pigment Red HF 3C;
    Purple-Red;
    Rose Madder (hue) [AS]; 12515 Monoazo; Benzimidazolone;

    CAS 12225-06-8 Bluish red;

    † Fades, Hue shift towards blue -

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    Metanil yellow , sodium salt of M Sulfo Benzene Azo diphenyl amine color index 138

    PY138 Quinophthalone Yellow C.I. Pigment Yellow 138;
    Gafast Pigment Yellow 138 - OP;
    Gafast Pigment Yellow 138 - TR ;
    Isoindoline Yellow;
    Lithol Fast Yellow;
    Paliotol® Yellow K 0961 HD;
    Permanent Lemon Yellow [PF.w];
    Permanent Yellow [DR];
    Pigment Yellow;
    Quinopthalone Yellow [GU];
    Rape Yellow 56300 Isoindoline;
    Gafast Pigment Yellow 138 - OP (Tech Sheet Reference);
    Gafast Pigment Yellow 138 - TR (Tech Sheet Reference);

    CAS 30125-47-4
    Very light, bright, greenish to reddish yellow*;

    †Lightens

    1-3* I 19-43 A
    MSDS * The reddish yellow shade is extremely opaque. The greenish shade is transparent and has higher tinctorial strength (Ref).

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